The supervisor is also taking a huge risk no one within sight or hearing range would be offended. I have seen alot of complaints go through about how people felt because of how other people were treated based on <whatever>.
Now the more important thing you bring up is unwanted attention. Does that mean if they offer me a pay for performance incentive if I go above and beyond, you know like work or something, I can file harrassment. It sure feels like harrassment. This whole mandatory referral thing is like uber harrassment.

It's not so much where you would go, but would they pay you once you got there...

I know I can leave any time, but that darn paycheck seems to be somehow associated with my presence. Hard to buy new bike parts without that paycheck. ;)

And what would the rest of us do without you?!!!!!!!!!!

I always ask the females I work with to turn around and let me get a good look at their figures. Luckily, so far none of them have decided to file a harassment suit against me.

Are you a pimp?

someone may have mentioned this . . . but that thread . . . exists
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...=pictures+legs
in fact, more than one, but i can't find the other one O.o . . .

DO NOT ASK WHY I KNOW THIS!

Conduct has to be unwanted for it to constitute harassment. Now, on the other hand.

it's been posted already ^^;

Well not exactly, but I do admit that I often work with attractive women. From Wednesday:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v9...772_9x12a1.jpg

Ah! Gotcha.

Cool use of backdrop.

Thank you, although that was shot on location. That is the view of downtown Miami from Key Biscayne. I saw a lot of cyclists ride by, so it's possible that someone here caught a glimpse of me at work.

Oops, I thought the bottom edge of the water looked like the bottom edge of a backdrop--but I see it's getting cut off by the little knoll.

I guess we should bring this back to sexual harassment, but I can't quite bring myself to make a b***h pun about the dog.

Now I hate you. :thumb:

I couldn't do your job. You'd have to drug up both me and that dog, or we'd both be going to town on a leg. :eek:

Yeah, it does seem pretty arbitrary to leave it all in the eye of the beholder. To me, 1 attempt at flirtation is not harassment. Trying it again after being told "no" is.

In the instance that I posted, I wasn't interested in the guy, but I didn't feel threatened, either. He was just joking around and blowing off steam after a couple of rough days. If I had thought that he was serious or being creepy about it, I would have told him to knock it off.

Usually, I can shut guys down pretty quickly when they're pushing things too far. Of course, I did have to deal with a guy at one workplace who went around butt-hurt for over a year due to me telling him that he needed to keep a reasonable social distance from me. I operationally defined it for him as 3 feet, or arm's length. (He had me boxed into a corner and was less than a foot from me when this happened.) I had to put up with various snotty comments and antagonism from him until I left there. Subtle stuff, that you can't really prove, but just have to deal with. ...I may have had a "case," but it wasn't worth the time and effort to prove it.

This is a wonderful obsevation and I agree 100%! Day before yesterday a strange man on the street bellowed "HEY Big booty!!" at my back (after passing.. as a matter of fact he was on a bike riding wrong way down 1-way street. I was a ped.) I had no recourse and his behavior is not illegal, but it sure as hell was objectionable and just wrong.

Just like the guy yelling "DAMN!" at my back a few days before that as I walked past a bus stop bench. What am I gonna do? Say something? That guarantees the guy will fly into a defensive rage and stalk me down the street, screaming a bunch of hate at me - "Well f*ck you, b*tch! You ain't sh*t!" and so on. Yet what he's doing isn't illegal!

I got sidetracked and wanted to add...

In our office sexual harassment is defined (by the legal dept. and HR) as unwelcome sexual advances / remarks / behavior. In practice, complaining bystanders have been brushed off and they do everything possible to rationalize and downplay events when complaints are made. Luckily those complaints are seldom and one major troublemaker left the company.

This is my desktop at work, speaking of sexy legs....

http://cache.boston.com/universal/si...7_14/tdf16.jpg

WOW! Those are some awesome legs that easily put mine to shame.

Has anyone at your work complained?

And this is exactly why "sexual harassment" is so unfair to men. Studies have shown that women base their definition of it based on how they feel about the attractiveness of the man than the actual behavior itself. Getting a compliment from an attractive guy is something they like. But the same exact words from a "creepy" guy will get that guy in big trouble.

Nah, it's covered up most of the day. Legs don't get much hotter than the TdF!

No, your fat makes you look fat!

Thank you -- that photo helps undo the brain damage done by the Elvis thing.

It is unfair if the guy or gal is blamed for an unanticipated negative response. I think it is fair if the "harassed" individual has already made it clear that the advances are unwanted and those advances continue. In other words, it should be OK to try, but not OK to continue if the other person says to stop it.

Oh, here's another strange workplace scenario I was in. I was actually dating my supervisor when it happened. (Obviously, I had no complaint with his advances.) We went to a party with his supervisor. drinking was involved, and I popped off some smarty-pants flirtatious comments to supervisor's supervisor who had already started it. I figured it didn't mean anything since the guy was married and I was there with my boyfriend. ...Next thing, the guy was propositioning me to go to bed with him and his wife! :eek: I told him no, and that I thought we were just kidding around, etc.. There was no further pursuit. Aside from me having to calm down a drunk boyfriend who wanted to physically kick his @$$, end of story, right?

Wrong. First, the guy, who normally had nothing to do directly with my worksite, showed up to make a big deal about how we were good buddies and wanted to be sure I wasn't "intimidated" by him. I told him that I wasn't his buddy, I wasn't intimidated, but I really needed to be working instead of re-hashing events with him.

Story continued even after I left the company for a better job. I got a call from the security director a couple of months later to make sure I hadn't quit because of this incident. :wtf: Apparently, some other employee who was PO'd at the supervisor, went off verbally, and dragged my story into his rant. I was asked all kinds of detailed questions about something that I figured was over a long time ago. My statement to the security director was pretty much, "Everyone, including me, showed poor judgement on that night. It didn't happen at work. I wasn't harmed or traumatized. And it's over. If I had serious issues, I would have brought it up myself." Then I was assured that I could have a job with the company at any time, etc.. ...Amazing. :rolleyes:

I am pretty hardcore about women's rights and "No means no." But when one stupid night makes for ongoing drama and legal butt-covering, we have gone too far.

And how, exactly, is this "unfair to men"? Might as well say "unfair to ugly people". Or...here's a thought...you could go for the truth, which is somewhat more nuanced and definitely harder to sound-bite, and which goes something like, "Conduct that you will welcome from one person is not necessarily conduct that you will welcome from everyone." Feel that sudden rush of common sense to the head! People -- not "women", not "men", but people -- do not want to interact the same way with everyone they meet. Nothing wrong with that. "Unfair to men", what next.

I'm not going to argue the men-women point. I think it's unfair to anyone who might try to make a date with someone else in the workplace. And honestly, a lot of folks meet people they would like to date in the workplace.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to have a flirtatious or amorous relationship with a co-worker or supervisior. However, it is wrong to assume that others can read your mind and should be penalized for not knowing in advance that you aren't interested.

Seriously, I felt way more violated by all the legal @$$-covering maneuvers than the original proposition for a threesome that I described above.

What happened to the word "no" anyway?