What would you have done if...?
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Questions that come to my mind, and I have asked the same of my wife.
Do you notice blinkies when driving, really? Radio, children, phone, passenger talking -- all of these elements play more of a role in the attention-demanding art of driving. People watch for police, traffic pattern changes, but usually not bikes, motorcycles, peds or anything else for that matter. I can't even honestly say I'd notice a headlight unless it was extremely obvious. So the question becomes do you really think that a $300+ blinking set of strobes is the solution? I don't have the answer, obviously. This guy was wearing 80's Dayglo and still wasn't picked up by the driver until they started to make the turn.
I guess you could posit that the driver was making an illegal turn knowing that the bike was there, and was just showing impatience by waiting in opposing traffic.
For me, in this situation, I'd slow enough to stop. There is plenty of space there and as long as the biker wasn't hammering it along in a sprint (which would have been even more obvious to see) it doesn't look like they were going at a speed where they couldn't decelerate quickly if needed.
Do you notice blinkies when driving, really? Radio, children, phone, passenger talking -- all of these elements play more of a role in the attention-demanding art of driving. People watch for police, traffic pattern changes, but usually not bikes, motorcycles, peds or anything else for that matter. I can't even honestly say I'd notice a headlight unless it was extremely obvious. So the question becomes do you really think that a $300+ blinking set of strobes is the solution? I don't have the answer, obviously. This guy was wearing 80's Dayglo and still wasn't picked up by the driver until they started to make the turn.
I guess you could posit that the driver was making an illegal turn knowing that the bike was there, and was just showing impatience by waiting in opposing traffic.
For me, in this situation, I'd slow enough to stop. There is plenty of space there and as long as the biker wasn't hammering it along in a sprint (which would have been even more obvious to see) it doesn't look like they were going at a speed where they couldn't decelerate quickly if needed.
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Same thing I always do in that situation: Tap the brakes, swing out to the center of the lane and zip around the arse end of their car as they finish their turn.
If I felt like being a jerk, I'd zap their trunk with a snot-rocket as I went past; but this sort of non-incedent happens all the time around here. Plenty of time to be evasive in that situation, and plenty of room to maneuver.
At least you can see it happening in that video. The worst around here is people in traffic who "wave through" the left turner from the oncoming lane as you're zipping up the right in the bike lane, so all of a sudden there's some a-hole slipping between a couple of SUV's and BLAMMO! they're right in front of you without warning.
If I felt like being a jerk, I'd zap their trunk with a snot-rocket as I went past; but this sort of non-incedent happens all the time around here. Plenty of time to be evasive in that situation, and plenty of room to maneuver.
At least you can see it happening in that video. The worst around here is people in traffic who "wave through" the left turner from the oncoming lane as you're zipping up the right in the bike lane, so all of a sudden there's some a-hole slipping between a couple of SUV's and BLAMMO! they're right in front of you without warning.
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Looks to me like there was plenty of time for the bike to stop. That didn't even look close to me.
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Thanks everyone for your comments. I was going 27 MPH, wearing a 'screaming green-yellow' safety jacket, with a blinkie on the front of the bike. The video doesn't show the driver well but it was an elderly lady in thick glasses.
The suggestions you've made so far:
Brake and stop outside the travel path of the car.
Swerve right, into the parking lot, and go in front of the car.
Swerve left, into the travel lane, and go behind the car.
What are some of the risks with each of these options?
The suggestions you've made so far:
Brake and stop outside the travel path of the car.
Swerve right, into the parking lot, and go in front of the car.
Swerve left, into the travel lane, and go behind the car.
What are some of the risks with each of these options?
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To all those who said it wasn’t that close, (starting with me in post #4) the lens on this camera obviously distorts the actual distance of the car, making it appear farther away than it really is. If you stop the video at the first sign of the driver beginning to make her left (at 19 or 20 seconds) and then again at the point where the rider is in the cars path, (about 23 seconds) that leaves 3-4 seconds to think and avoid. Not an unmanageable situation by any means, but still a potentially dangerous one requiring one to be ready to react.
And 27 mph, in the shoulder? I think at that speed I’d be spending most of my time in the travel lane. I find less infringment on my right of way when I'm positioned where the cars would be.
And 27 mph, in the shoulder? I think at that speed I’d be spending most of my time in the travel lane. I find less infringment on my right of way when I'm positioned where the cars would be.
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