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Old 08-10-12, 01:53 PM
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What a pain in the...

Butt.

Lemme explain...I bought my bike back in March and have been commuting as much as possible. I have over 1100 miles on it already. My butt hurts when I ride. I expected it in the first few rides and I expected it to get better over time. It hasn't. I even bought padded shorts. They seem to delay the pain but I still end up sore right on my bones.

My current saddle is the one that came with the bike. It is a WTB Pure V Saddle. It has padding, which I think might be part of the problem.

What techniques have you all used to test saddles for fit? Would a shop just let you borrow a saddle for a 15 mile ride? I can't drop a bunch of coin on testing saddles. I would like a Brooks B-17 but can't convince the wife it is a good idea. I'm not even sure that a Brooks is the answer as I have not even sat on one of those.

Thought, suggestions, etc?

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Old 08-10-12, 02:05 PM
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As someone who bought a padded saddle to replace the stock saddle on my bike and ended up with a B17, I can tell you I wish I would have just bought the B17 to begin with.
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Old 08-10-12, 02:25 PM
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As someone who bought a padded saddle to replace the stock saddle on my bike and ended up with a B17, I can tell you I wish I would have just bought the B17 to begin with.
Ya, I certainly don't want a padded saddle but can't convince my wife nor can I really pull the trigger on a B17. A hundo is a lot of $. I was hoping that the shorts would alleviate some of the butt pain of the crap saddle.

I spose I should just start saving for the Brooks.
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Old 08-10-12, 02:38 PM
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Get a B-17 from wallbike.com. If your butt fits, you'll be happy. If not, Bill will take it back within 6 months.

Be prepared to fiddle with the height, tilt, and fore/aft position a bit. But if you get it even close, it will be pretty good on the first ride. Then it'll get better.
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Old 08-10-12, 02:41 PM
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Saddles are so much dependant on the individual that it's hard to say that your saddle is crap. I think the saddle on your bike is actual decent and retails for about $60, so it's not a low end saddle. It may just not fit your rear very well. From what I hear these things are wider than normal (for MTB seat) and some people have more issues with a wider seat than with a standard seat.
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Old 08-10-12, 02:44 PM
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Depends to some extent on the type of bike you are riding and how your weight is distributed. More upright usually means some padding. Flat back, less to none. You may need to try lots of different saddles to find one that works. Larger bike shops are usually more accommodating. Stay awy from gels. Keep in mind that leather saddles don't like rain.
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Old 08-10-12, 03:00 PM
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I discovered that I don't like wide saddles. The Specialized Targa seat on my bike is stock, and while not extremely comfortable, its not terrible either. Short rides, I don't even notice it. I noticed that my bum got more comfortable when I flipped the stem on my Sirrus, since I had more weight on my hands. Try something like that and see if it works?
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Old 08-10-12, 03:19 PM
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Butt pain is not necessarily caused by the saddle itself. Sitting upright places more pressure on your sit bones, which may cause pain.

Have you experimented with changing your seat/bar height ratio? Often, lowering the bars may help.

If you've already ruled that out, perhaps it's time to begin looking for a saddle.

Personally, I have a Brooks B.17 on both my bikes and I do swear by them. I don't like padded seats, for the reasons mentioned by others already. I do recommend this saddle, but not everyone finds the Brooks suitable.

As for padded shorts, the padding isn't really intended to absorb shock or relieve pressure. The padding is mostly there to reduce chafing and to wick moisture away from your body, reducing friction.

Good luck and keep us up to date.
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Old 08-10-12, 03:26 PM
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I'll try to flip the stem for the ride home and see how that works. I may be sitting to upright for what my butt wants. I have tried leaning over but the hand position feels weird. Maybe flipping the stem will help.

I'll let you guys know.
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Old 08-10-12, 05:29 PM
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Brooks saddles are not the answer for everyone. You should definitely try one for a long ride before buying, or at least buy from a shop that will let you return it.
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Old 08-10-12, 07:37 PM
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REI is pretty lenient on returns/exchanges.
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Old 08-10-12, 07:38 PM
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If both hipsters and retrogrouches can agree on the B-17, it's as close to the answer for everyone as you can get. But yes, it's definitely a possibility that you won't like it. Still, they've become so popular that it's pretty easy to find one that's lightly used for half the price. If you can get one for under $70 or so, you can probably sell it without any loss if it turns out you don't like it.
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Old 08-10-12, 08:49 PM
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I flipped the stem. It was a little better I suppose but my hands hurt now and my pinkie and ring finger went numb half way through. I may drop the bars a bit using the provided spacers and might move the controls closer to the center of the bar. I think I might have my palm pressed against the end of the bar. I'll trial and error a little.

Are there any measurements I can take that I can relate to a seat, B17 or not, to give me an idea of how it will work?
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Old 08-10-12, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by nigelsane View Post
If both hipsters and retrogrouches can agree on the B-17, it's as close to the answer for everyone as you can get. But yes, it's definitely a possibility that you won't like it. Still, they've become so popular that it's pretty easy to find one that's lightly used for half the price. If you can get one for under $70 or so, you can probably sell it without any loss if it turns out you don't like it.
B-17 isn't necessarily the answer if you sit more upright; in that case, the answer might be a B-67 or B-68.

But I do think that the vast majority of people would benefit from a leather saddle, and I think that Brooks makes the best leather saddles. But they do make different models for a reason.
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I'm going to have to try lowering the stem. After about 15 miles, I start getting sit bone pain pretty hardcore. I'm on a Trek Allant, a hybrid, not exactly bolt upright but pretty close. I'm on a Selle Royale saddle, has some cushioning but is hardly squishy. The chamois liner shorts push the pain threshold to about 30 miles, but don't eliminate it.
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I have seen leather saddles on ebay, not brooks, but very cheap. Dunno if that will help though, I mean, I doubt leather is the only factor. But maybe you could look for reviews of those saddles online.
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I have a box of saddles, then decided on a Brooks Flyer. Its on a fairly upright hybrid bike. I used to have constant pain from the box of saddle, and numb toes from standing on the pedals constantly trying to stay off the saddle. The Brooks Flyer let me sit on it without any pain at all. Never once had pain, a little discomfort until I had fit perfect though.

A b17 or flyer is labelled as being for bikes that have handlebars higher than seat. Mine is about level.
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Old 08-11-12, 12:27 AM
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http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/3189839753.html

Two for $100! If I had two more bikes that needed saddles...
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I have the pure V, it is an awesome saddle. But like everything else bicycle wise, it may not be for you. You may just need to do some more research and find the right saddle for you, your butt is your personal business.
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Old 08-11-12, 08:26 AM
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How far are you from Chicago? I could let you try my old specialized gel seat (it's similar to thishttp://www.specialized.com/us/en/ftb...dles/sonomagel) to see if you liked it, and sell it to you with the BF discount if you like it.
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Originally Posted by ben4345 View Post
I have the pure V, it is an awesome saddle. But like everything else bicycle wise, it may not be for you. You may just need to do some more research and find the right saddle for you, your butt is your personal business.
I agree. I love my Pure V.
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I rode all my bikes comfortably until I bought a road bike with a selle san marcos saddle I tried to ride it for around six months thinking it would break in. It never got comfortable, got another saddle and never looked back. I would say try a different saddle, it doesn't need to be a brooks just one you can ride in comfort. Some bike shops will let you demo them for a minimal cost, mine charges $25 to try as many as I like then if I buy one that money goes to the purchase. Then you can sell you current one to offset the cost.
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b-17. my family owns three and are all on the bikes!

spend the money or sore butt. hmmmmmmmmmm
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Originally Posted by ckaspar View Post
Ya, I certainly don't want a padded saddle but can't convince my wife nor can I really pull the trigger on a B17.
I'm sure this doesn't apply to you, but this post is just crying out for a link to my joke.
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I recently replaced a soft saddle with a Bontraeger Affinity for $30 from the LBS. It's firmer and narrower. At first it felt too hard on the taint but now I seem to be getting to like it. I only ride 8 miles each way.
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