A Pet Peeve thread?
#51
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52 miles is round-trip and I do it three days a week, (Mon, Wed & Fri). 26 miles is about 1 hour and 45 minutes. It takes me an hour to drive to work and when traffic gets crazy, which is at least a twice a month, my drive can be 2 hours.
52 miles is round-trip and I do it three days a week, (Mon, Wed & Fri). 26 miles is about 1 hour and 45 minutes. It takes me an hour to drive to work and when traffic gets crazy, which is at least a twice a month, my drive can be 2 hours.
#52
Clark W. Griswold




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If the bike is unsafe, it is unsafe and if we cannot do the work to make it safe, we aren't going to do the work. What could and most likely will happen is someone will ride and something bad will happen and then they will come and blame us. It is a major liability to send someone on down the road with an unsafe bike especially with the lawsuit crazy culture we have built up.
#53
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The bike was likely stolen and the guy who had the bike wasn't quite firing on all brain cells. I have no issue with people who want to do the work themselves but they are generally up front about it or will mention it at some point in the conversation and if they are able to work on their bike generally it isn't such horrible shape.
If the bike is unsafe, it is unsafe and if we cannot do the work to make it safe, we aren't going to do the work. What could and most likely will happen is someone will ride and something bad will happen and then they will come and blame us. It is a major liability to send someone on down the road with an unsafe bike especially with the lawsuit crazy culture we have built up.
If the bike is unsafe, it is unsafe and if we cannot do the work to make it safe, we aren't going to do the work. What could and most likely will happen is someone will ride and something bad will happen and then they will come and blame us. It is a major liability to send someone on down the road with an unsafe bike especially with the lawsuit crazy culture we have built up.
#54
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From: NYC
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The problem in NYC is cars get in the bike lane on one lane road turn it into a turning lane also cars going straight stay in the traffic lane. This turns a one lane road into a turn lane road with little room for cyclists except squished between two rows of cars on a street designed to accommodate one lane of cars. In New York you're legally supposed to turn from the traffic lane unless the road is designed to have both the turn lane and bike lane in one.
#55
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From: Memphis TN area
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I do not run or walk with a rear view mirror, and if it's along a road with no sidewalk, I sure as heck want to be able to readily see cars approaching me. I can see them moving out away to give me space, or I can make a quick jump over to the grass if I think it's necessary. Walking on the left side (where cars drive on the right) is absolutely the correct thing to do.
#56
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Seriously though, I'm not sure if motorists aren't aware that cyclists have every bit as much right to be on the road, or if they just don't care, but that would be my main pet peeve.
I drive for a living, and have a class one licence, so it's not an "us vs them" scenario. If everyone could just show a little more respect on the road, heck, if motorists would just slow down to the MAXIMUM speed limit as they buzz by me, that would be great.
I drive for a living, and have a class one licence, so it's not an "us vs them" scenario. If everyone could just show a little more respect on the road, heck, if motorists would just slow down to the MAXIMUM speed limit as they buzz by me, that would be great.
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I don't remember everything but basically chain and cassette were worn, wheels were out of true, brake pads were needing replacement plus brakes were out of alignment and really loose, and some other stuff, plus of course the broken pedal. It was a kids BMX style bike but it was ridden by, what some might call, an adult.
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#60
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Hello, I'm a Newbie, but you can call me Matt. "Hi Matt." I'm not a newbie to bike commuting, nor am I a newbie to forums, just a newbie here. I looked a bit for a Pet Peeve thread before posting this. Anyway...
I find it really odd when a car is catching me as we are approaching a stop sign and they initiate a safe pass. However, we are on pace to reach the stop sign at the same time. This puts them awkwardly in the middle of the road at an intersection. What are they thinking here?
It doesn't happen if I'm turning left because I'll signal and/or take the lane in time to prevent this. But if I'm going straight or right, they somehow think they can get around me before the stop sign.
Is this a common occurrence for other riders? What are some of your pet peeves?
I find it really odd when a car is catching me as we are approaching a stop sign and they initiate a safe pass. However, we are on pace to reach the stop sign at the same time. This puts them awkwardly in the middle of the road at an intersection. What are they thinking here?
It doesn't happen if I'm turning left because I'll signal and/or take the lane in time to prevent this. But if I'm going straight or right, they somehow think they can get around me before the stop sign.
Is this a common occurrence for other riders? What are some of your pet peeves?
#61
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From: Kherson, Ukraine
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I am annoyed by drivers who don't signal their turns, or start signaling after they have started their turns. Cyclists quite often need to know the driver's intention prior to the action in order to position properly. A lot of drivers don't really think about what they're doing. I'm convinced that this is why they get into traffic jams. Traffic for cars would flow much more smoothly if drivers thought about the entire system, and how their individual actions would impact the entire system, but of course, they don't. They just don't think. And this act of signalling after the turn initiated is proof of this - the signalling is not to let you know what they're going to do, it's to be in compliance with some law that says they have to signal. Idiots!
My other pet peeve is "sloppy driving." This manifests itself in drivers taking "the racing line" on left turns, where they take part of the opposing lane in completing their turn. Very sloppy. And very dangerous if you happen to be in that part of the opposing lane, waiting to make a left turn.
Luis
My other pet peeve is "sloppy driving." This manifests itself in drivers taking "the racing line" on left turns, where they take part of the opposing lane in completing their turn. Very sloppy. And very dangerous if you happen to be in that part of the opposing lane, waiting to make a left turn.
Luis
#62
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From: Kherson, Ukraine
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Once when I was a courier, a few of us were sitting on a bench in front of a building and a lawyer came outside while on his cel phone and decided the rack on my bike (I often handled cargo) was a dandy place for him to open up his briefcase and have a conference. Not quite the same as having someone stick trash in my water bottle cage, but you story reminded me of it. The people I was with thought I was going to either chew the guy out or worse, but I was so flabbergasted I just stared at him. People can be so incredibly selfish and self absorbed sometimes.
#64
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S 1156. Pedestrians on roadways. (a) Where sidewalks are provided and
they may be used with safety it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to
walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and
upon a highway shall when practicable walk only on the left side of the
roadway or its shoulder facing traffic which may approach from the
opposite direction. Upon the approach of any vehicle from the opposite
direction, such pedestrian shall move as far to the left as is
practicable.
Edit: oops, didn't see Patrick already addressed this... but yeah, those peds are correct.
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Hello, I'm a Newbie, but you can call me Matt. "Hi Matt." I'm not a newbie to bike commuting, nor am I a newbie to forums, just a newbie here. I looked a bit for a Pet Peeve thread before posting this. Anyway...
I find it really odd when a car is catching me as we are approaching a stop sign and they initiate a safe pass. However, we are on pace to reach the stop sign at the same time. This puts them awkwardly in the middle of the road at an intersection. What are they thinking here?
It doesn't happen if I'm turning left because I'll signal and/or take the lane in time to prevent this. But if I'm going straight or right, they somehow think they can get around me before the stop sign.
Is this a common occurrence for other riders? What are some of your pet peeves?
I find it really odd when a car is catching me as we are approaching a stop sign and they initiate a safe pass. However, we are on pace to reach the stop sign at the same time. This puts them awkwardly in the middle of the road at an intersection. What are they thinking here?
It doesn't happen if I'm turning left because I'll signal and/or take the lane in time to prevent this. But if I'm going straight or right, they somehow think they can get around me before the stop sign.
Is this a common occurrence for other riders? What are some of your pet peeves?
#66
My biggest pet peeve is when people don't stay to the right on multi-use paths and fire roads. I encounter people everyday who are out walking or jogging in groups of two or more, and they fan out across the path without consideration for people who need to pass. I think all bike paths should have a yellow line down the middle with signs telling people to stay to the right. This is what works for motorists on roads and the same principle applies to cyclists and pedestrians sharing a path. I also think their should be citations for people who don't stay to the right and the money from these citations can be used to maintain the path. There are a number of paths in my area that have so many cracks that the cyclists choose to use the nearby road without a bike lane over the path.
A related issue is that cyclists in bike lanes should always ride single file when there are cars around. I live near a popular route for club rides and I sometimes see people riding along side each other so that cars all have to move into another lane to get by. I think this breeds animosity toward cyclists.
As a female, I also find it frustrating when male drivers go way out of their way to accommodate me in a manner that I don't expect. Mostly this happens if I want to turn left. It is usually an older male driver that will suddenly and randomly stop in an unexpected place and motion for me to turn. Then, people behind him will honk and I will feel hesitant to turn left for fear that the angry people honking behind him will pass him and hit me as I turn left. I generally prefer to turn left when I decide it is safe for me to turn left, rather than when motorists around me feel it might be safe for me to turn. I realize that these guys probably mean well by stopping, but it winds up being a frustration.
A related issue is that cyclists in bike lanes should always ride single file when there are cars around. I live near a popular route for club rides and I sometimes see people riding along side each other so that cars all have to move into another lane to get by. I think this breeds animosity toward cyclists.
As a female, I also find it frustrating when male drivers go way out of their way to accommodate me in a manner that I don't expect. Mostly this happens if I want to turn left. It is usually an older male driver that will suddenly and randomly stop in an unexpected place and motion for me to turn. Then, people behind him will honk and I will feel hesitant to turn left for fear that the angry people honking behind him will pass him and hit me as I turn left. I generally prefer to turn left when I decide it is safe for me to turn left, rather than when motorists around me feel it might be safe for me to turn. I realize that these guys probably mean well by stopping, but it winds up being a frustration.
#67
Peds are supposed to salmon... at least here in NY. I'll agree that it does make it interesting if a bike, car, and ped are meeting at the same point in a roadway, but it would no matter which way they were walking.
S 1156. Pedestrians on roadways. (a) Where sidewalks are provided and
they may be used with safety it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to
walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and
upon a highway shall when practicable walk only on the left side of the
roadway or its shoulder facing traffic which may approach from the
opposite direction. Upon the approach of any vehicle from the opposite
direction, such pedestrian shall move as far to the left as is
practicable.
Edit: oops, didn't see Patrick already addressed this... but yeah, those peds are correct.
S 1156. Pedestrians on roadways. (a) Where sidewalks are provided and
they may be used with safety it shall be unlawful for any pedestrian to
walk along and upon an adjacent roadway.
(b) Where sidewalks are not provided any pedestrian walking along and
upon a highway shall when practicable walk only on the left side of the
roadway or its shoulder facing traffic which may approach from the
opposite direction. Upon the approach of any vehicle from the opposite
direction, such pedestrian shall move as far to the left as is
practicable.
Edit: oops, didn't see Patrick already addressed this... but yeah, those peds are correct.
#68
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That's one of my pet peeves too. I've got a nice mirror, I can see cars approaching from behind, and as I'm approaching an intersection with multiple lanes, if they put on their turn signal I can pick the lane that isn't in their way. So often they choose to not signal, I assume they think because I'm on a bike I can't see them so they don't bother, but it's their loss, because they get stuck behind me when they needn't be. It irks my desire for efficiency though.
I have taught cycling in traffic, and I teach a technique of doing two head-turns in a row. It is not to see behind you. It is to signal to drivers that you see them as well as to draw their attention to your presence. I try to remember to do this when I have a mirror, but I sometimes forget. I find I am treated very courteously when I do lots and lots of head turns. Try it!
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#69
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My biggest pet peeve is when people don't stay to the right on multi-use paths and fire roads. I encounter people everyday who are out walking or jogging in groups of two or more, and they fan out across the path without consideration for people who need to pass. I think all bike paths should have a yellow line down the middle with signs telling people to stay to the right. This is what works for motorists on roads and the same principle applies to cyclists and pedestrians sharing a path. I also think their should be citations for people who don't stay to the right and the money from these citations can be used to maintain the path. There are a number of paths in my area that have so many cracks that the cyclists choose to use the nearby road without a bike lane over the path.
A related issue is that cyclists in bike lanes should always ride single file when there are cars around. I live near a popular route for club rides and I sometimes see people riding along side each other so that cars all have to move into another lane to get by. I think this breeds animosity toward cyclists.
As a female, I also find it frustrating when male drivers go way out of their way to accommodate me in a manner that I don't expect. Mostly this happens if I want to turn left. It is usually an older male driver that will suddenly and randomly stop in an unexpected place and motion for me to turn. Then, people behind him will honk and I will feel hesitant to turn left for fear that the angry people honking behind him will pass him and hit me as I turn left. I generally prefer to turn left when I decide it is safe for me to turn left, rather than when motorists around me feel it might be safe for me to turn. I realize that these guys probably mean well by stopping, but it winds up being a frustration.
A related issue is that cyclists in bike lanes should always ride single file when there are cars around. I live near a popular route for club rides and I sometimes see people riding along side each other so that cars all have to move into another lane to get by. I think this breeds animosity toward cyclists.
As a female, I also find it frustrating when male drivers go way out of their way to accommodate me in a manner that I don't expect. Mostly this happens if I want to turn left. It is usually an older male driver that will suddenly and randomly stop in an unexpected place and motion for me to turn. Then, people behind him will honk and I will feel hesitant to turn left for fear that the angry people honking behind him will pass him and hit me as I turn left. I generally prefer to turn left when I decide it is safe for me to turn left, rather than when motorists around me feel it might be safe for me to turn. I realize that these guys probably mean well by stopping, but it winds up being a frustration.
#70
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Didn't make clear that I'm referring to MUPs, which is 90% of my commute. No need to walk or run on the left, when everyone else is on the right. Makes for confusion and unpredictability. Around here, the MUPs are narrow and nearly everyone gets it -- stay right, and as far right as practicable. The occasional contrarian thinks he or she belongs on the left. Peds on the road where there is no sidewalk, I can understand walking on the left side to face oncoming traffic, but on a narrow MUP, no way.
Depends on the MUP. Around here, the MUP specifically says "Walkers and Runners Stay Left" (or words to that effect). The MUP by my Mother's house gives the opposite direction - took me quite a while to break my habit of walking on the left side when I went walking with her during the holidays.
#71
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I hate when drivers don't use stop signs properly.
Both when they run a stop sign when I have a right of way, and when they wait for me even if they have the right of way.
Just do what the sign says so there's no confusion. No I don't want to risk putting all 200lbs of me and my vehicle in the path of you and your 2 ton vehicle when the law and the impatient drivers around you say you should go.
Both when they run a stop sign when I have a right of way, and when they wait for me even if they have the right of way.
Just do what the sign says so there's no confusion. No I don't want to risk putting all 200lbs of me and my vehicle in the path of you and your 2 ton vehicle when the law and the impatient drivers around you say you should go.
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My pet peeve is longboarders and people on scooty-puff jr's going the wrong way in the bike lane. I wouldn't even mind sharing with them, if they'd just go the right way.
#73
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Didn't make clear that I'm referring to MUPs, which is 90% of my commute. No need to walk or run on the left, when everyone else is on the right. Makes for confusion and unpredictability. Around here, the MUPs are narrow and nearly everyone gets it -- stay right, and as far right as practicable. The occasional contrarian thinks he or she belongs on the left. Peds on the road where there is no sidewalk, I can understand walking on the left side to face oncoming traffic, but on a narrow MUP, no way.
#74
This! I have a section on my commute, about 1.5 miles, on a high traffic road with no shoulder. Typically I take the lane and get some interval training in, but on rainy days like today I make eye contact with nearly every driver behind me with a lot of head turns.
#75
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From: southeastern PA - a mile west of Philadelphia
As I’m about to turn 58 years of age, I find the need to be honest and admit facetiously that, you guys with your lists of pet peeves sound like a bunch of 3-year-old “whiner-pants-McPoopy-butts” who don’t constantly get their own way.
It makes me wonder how you manage to enjoy yourselves when bicycling with all those complaints?
As for me, I actually enjoy encountering all of the diversities of road riding, as you never know precisely what and when to expect things and it keeps things interesting. If you ride with an appropriate level of awareness, you can avoid most troublesome encounters with little effort and actually learn to appreciate those deviations in human imperfection. In the utter absence of such imperfections, rides would get boring in no time!
And so, I actually enjoy encountering the night-Ninjas, the jaywalkers, the side-walkers, the Salmoners, the right-hookers, the horn honkers, the drivers that tell me to “ride on the sidewalk” or “buy a car, hippie” or “this road doesn’t have a bicycle lane”, or the drivers that ride in the head-on traffic lane just to tell me “You were riding in my lane” (even though I was descending at the speed limit or faster), and so on. It all makes for an interesting, sometimes dangerously exciting, and even humorous riding adventure that we get to share with others afterwards. I wouldn’t have it any other way.
It makes me wonder how you manage to enjoy yourselves when bicycling with all those complaints? As for me, I actually enjoy encountering all of the diversities of road riding, as you never know precisely what and when to expect things and it keeps things interesting. If you ride with an appropriate level of awareness, you can avoid most troublesome encounters with little effort and actually learn to appreciate those deviations in human imperfection. In the utter absence of such imperfections, rides would get boring in no time!
And so, I actually enjoy encountering the night-Ninjas, the jaywalkers, the side-walkers, the Salmoners, the right-hookers, the horn honkers, the drivers that tell me to “ride on the sidewalk” or “buy a car, hippie” or “this road doesn’t have a bicycle lane”, or the drivers that ride in the head-on traffic lane just to tell me “You were riding in my lane” (even though I was descending at the speed limit or faster), and so on. It all makes for an interesting, sometimes dangerously exciting, and even humorous riding adventure that we get to share with others afterwards. I wouldn’t have it any other way.




