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Old 03-24-14 | 05:07 PM
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Does this exist "off the rack?"

Considering a new rig. I had an ideal rig but we parted ways a while back.

My past experience has taught me that a complete bike is much much (much) cheaper than a custom build. This is especially true of commuter bikes.

I've been browsing the forums and various manufacturer sites and haven't found the ideal.

Here is my wish list:

Hybrid riding position. I don't want a cruiser upright position, nor do I want an aggressive racing road bike geometry. I want an efficient comfortable riding position.

Bars: I prefer a wide "drop" bar so I can vary hand positions for longer rides. Not a deal-breaker if cycle doesn't have drops, just a preference.

Pant protection: I'm not kidding here. I hate shredding my trousers. I want a chain guard of some sort. I wear normal clothes. This is a must because there are no reliable aftermarket fixes to this. A chain with guard or a belt drive are both fine.

Gearing: No SS. I live in an occasionally-hilly area and need gears. I don't care if it is internally geared or derailleur. I actually prefer a derailleur but it isn't common to find one with a chain guard.

Lighting: Hub dyno with LED lighting included. This is a must because getting a wheel built with a dyno hub is prohibitively expensive.

Tires: 30mm or fatter. I want a smooth stable ride on these terrible roads.

Other: Included fenders and racks a plus. At minimum, I would want a bike designed to easily accept fenders and rear rack.

Brakes: prefer disc, but not a deal-breaker. Mechanical is fine.

Price: $1500 or less is ideal. Not more than $2000.

Basically I'm looking for a cross or touring bike with a chain guard and dyno lighting system. Does it exist?
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Old 03-24-14 | 05:17 PM
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bikepedia.com shows four different levels of this bike. I saw this one in person and it has most of what you are looking for I think. As I recall the price was around $1300?
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Old 03-24-14 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffbeerman2
Considering a new rig. I had an ideal rig but we parted ways a while back.

My past experience has taught me that a complete bike is much much (much) cheaper than a custom build. This is especially true of commuter bikes.

I've been browsing the forums and various manufacturer sites and haven't found the ideal.

Here is my wish list:

Hybrid riding position. I don't want a cruiser upright position, nor do I want an aggressive racing road bike geometry. I want an efficient comfortable riding position.

Bars: I prefer a wide "drop" bar so I can vary hand positions for longer rides. Not a deal-breaker if cycle doesn't have drops, just a preference.

Pant protection: I'm not kidding here. I hate shredding my trousers. I want a chain guard of some sort. I wear normal clothes. This is a must because there are no reliable aftermarket fixes to this. A chain with guard or a belt drive are both fine.

Gearing: No SS. I live in an occasionally-hilly area and need gears. I don't care if it is internally geared or derailleur. I actually prefer a derailleur but it isn't common to find one with a chain guard.

Lighting: Hub dyno with LED lighting included. This is a must because getting a wheel built with a dyno hub is prohibitively expensive.

Tires: 30mm or fatter. I want a smooth stable ride on these terrible roads.

Other: Included fenders and racks a plus. At minimum, I would want a bike designed to easily accept fenders and rear rack.

Brakes: prefer disc, but not a deal-breaker. Mechanical is fine.

Price: $1500 or less is ideal. Not more than $2000.

Basically I'm looking for a cross or touring bike with a chain guard and dyno lighting system. Does it exist?
Tons of EU bikes have these specs ... willing to buy and ship from the EU?
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Old 03-24-14 | 05:40 PM
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you can add accessories,at point of sale to a bike not fully hitting all those marks ..
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Old 03-24-14 | 07:05 PM
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How about the Breezer Beltway. It hits most of your wants but not all. You have one tall order and I don't think you will fulfill it with off the shelf. Build your own to get everything you want.

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Old 03-24-14 | 10:46 PM
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How about the Breezer Beltway. It hits most of your wants but not all. You have one tall order and I don't think you will fulfill it with off the shelf. Build your own to get everything you want.

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Thanks for that one. I'll see if I can find one to test.

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Old 03-25-14 | 02:31 AM
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REI has a few Novara models that might fit the bill. Here is the faciest one. I think the 2013 version had a dyno front hub if you can find one. Novara Gotham Bike - 2014 at REI.com
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Old 04-03-14 | 01:48 PM
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My past experience has taught me that a complete bike is much much (much) cheaper than a custom build. This is especially true of commuter bikes.
I have found the opposite true. I'm building a long wheelbase Cannondale with 105+ level components and lightweight wheels. I'll be saving about 500-1000 with respsect to comparable complete bikes.
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REI has a few Novara models that might fit the bill. Here is the faciest one. I think the 2013 version had a dyno front hub if you can find one. Novara Gotham Bike - 2014 at REI.com
Thanks. I'll check the KC store the next time I'm in town.
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Old 04-03-14 | 02:07 PM
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Adding your own dynamo hub and lighting may actually make financial sense, particularly if you're not firmly in the "must have disc brakes" camp. I added a low-end Sanyo and good German lights to my 1977 Centurion for less than $250. That was in the US, and I could do pretty good for probably half of that here in Sweden.
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Old 04-03-14 | 08:35 PM
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Have you looked at this?

Novara Gotham Bike - 2014 at REI.com

not the prettiest, but I tried on one at a local REI and was pretty impressed. I may actually buy it if my office will let me keep it inside.

The shifting is a little weird, but it might be perfect for traffic.
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I have found the opposite true. I'm building a long wheelbase Cannondale with 105+ level components and lightweight wheels. I'll be saving about 500-1000 with respsect to comparable complete bikes.
That simply isn't possible. Define "comparable". You cannot with a straight face tell us that you can get a better price on a 105 gruppo than Cannondale can.
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I have found the opposite true. I'm building a long wheelbase Cannondale with 105+ level components and lightweight wheels. I'll be saving about 500-1000 with respsect to comparable complete bikes.
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That simply isn't possible. Define "comparable". You cannot with a straight face tell us that you can get a better price on a 105 gruppo than Cannondale can.
Yeah - Cannondale's CAAD8 with 105 is only $1300 - can't imagine saving $500 to $1000 off of that even if buying slightly used eBay parts.
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Old 04-04-14 | 05:34 PM
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You have a good list for an American commute; my suspicion is that since these bikes aren't popular here you may have to make minor changes or give up a feature or two. The Dutch bikes I've seen have the racks,tires, dynamos, but are a bit more upright and you'd probably want to change the bars.

I'm a little surprised REI dropped the dynamo hub from the Gotham, since the selling point for these bikes was that they came with fenders, lights good racks, etc. I have the Transfer (V brakes) and got the Fusion (disk brakes) at their "garage sale". I find the posture is noticeably different from the English 3 speeds I prefer, but the REI bikes do have new (reliable) components and the chain guard is surprisingly effective.

The racks are also well designed. My experience is that buying a complete bike is faster and cheaper than than components. If you have lots of used parts, that can be cheaper, but more time consuming.
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Old 04-06-14 | 06:55 PM
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The Jamis Aurora seems pretty close. The base model lists just under $1000 with mechanical brakes, and the higher end model has disc brakes and goes for $1600. The bike shop would set it up with dynamo and light, and subtract some money for the stock front wheel. With the base model you'd come in well under $1500. The Specialized AWOL would be a good start too, but you'd have to add the cost of fenders and rack.
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Old 04-06-14 | 08:34 PM
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Schwinn has two lines, the signature line sold through bike shops and the standard line sold in big box. The Coffee 2 is a lot of bike for the price, built in rack and chainguard Coffee 2 - Urban - Bikes | Schwinn Bicycles
The 411 is a unique bike with disc brakes and internal gears and front rack: 4ONEONE 1 - Urban - Bikes | Schwinn Bicycles

But maybe the most unique bike I've seen from them is the Vestige. It has a flax fiber frame and even comes with Schwalbe tires and a dynamo hub. It has lighting inside the frame which makes the frame itself glow. I saw one at a bike shop last year and almost bought it. 2012 Schwinn Vestige Mens Urban Bike
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Old 04-07-14 | 09:22 AM
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I just noticed someone else suggested Breezer. They appear to have several bikes with dynamo hubs. Here's another one:
Breezer Bikes - Greenway Elite - Bike Overview
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