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Except as otherwise provided in this subsection (9), every person riding a bicycle or electrical assisted bicycle shall signal the intention to turn or stop in accordance with section 42-4-903; except that a person riding a bicycle or electrical assisted bicycle may signal a right turn with the right arm extended horizontally

Arrows in lanes at most intersections should take the mystery out of where i am going, though some drivers still think if i'm in a turn lane i'm going straight..
Left turns are made from left side of lane, and right turns do not cross anything, negating need for signaling in most cases.
- Andy
Left turns are made from left side of lane, and right turns do not cross anything, negating need for signaling in most cases.- Andy
Not only is the left arm/right turn signal anachronistic, if you really look at someone who does it, it throws them off when they corner. Their body position is all wrong and they go into the corner unbalanced.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but motorcyclists can't signal with their right hands because they need them on the throttle all the time. We cyclists are not constrained in that way.
I've been signaling most of my turns with my head lately. Whatever works. This is where I use the law as a guideline, not as an absolute rule. I follow the spirit of the law more than the letter of the law here.
[MENTION=364898]Insidious C.[/MENTION], I don't follow. Why does turning in left in front of you indicate he understood? You're in North America, right? If you're turning right and he's turning left, he should have waited for you, no?
I've been signaling most of my turns with my head lately. Whatever works. This is where I use the law as a guideline, not as an absolute rule. I follow the spirit of the law more than the letter of the law here.
[MENTION=364898]Insidious C.[/MENTION], I don't follow. Why does turning in left in front of you indicate he understood? You're in North America, right? If you're turning right and he's turning left, he should have waited for you, no?
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Today something really unusual occurred on my evening commute. Approaching an intersection I signaled for a right turn using my left arm, old school. That's not unusual, I always signal turns. What was unusual was the oncoming driver signaling to go left actually understood and made his turn without waiting for me. I wonder if drivers are hesitant to trust cyclists or if hand signals are just not understood anymore? Does this happen to you as well?
Same question applies to those bicyclists who make obscure hand signals for stopping to motorists? Why bother?
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Well, for cars it's still useful. Yes, I have occasionally used hand signals from a car. Most recently while towing a trailer with defective lights.
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Sticking my right arm out for a right turn is much more readily understood, so that's what I do. I do have the occasional driver misinterpreting my left-turn signal for a "it's okay to pass me" signal, but those are pretty rare.
As far as if they still teach hand signals, it's still in the driver's manual here in PA.
As far as if they still teach hand signals, it's still in the driver's manual here in PA.
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I did that early this morning - I was coming up on a trail intersection where I needed to make a right, and there were other cycllists coming up the other trail. I signaled out of courtesy so that they would know what my intentions were...
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I find that any time I use hand signals the drivers around me understand and trust it. Furthermore, the hand down for stopping keeps them from trying to pass me right before a stop sign.
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They are still in the drivers handbook for my province, and it says...
"If your signal lights are not working then you may use the appropriate hand signal"
(illustration of left, right, slow/stop all done with left arm)
"If your signal lights are not working then you may use the appropriate hand signal"
(illustration of left, right, slow/stop all done with left arm)
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But... then again... if YOU'RE really, really psychic... you'd know better.
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I like to just do the head pointing, kind of bobbing it toward the direction I'm going as if I'm subtly trying to tell someone to leave a room. Drivers either get it, think I'm challenging them to a race or think I'm trying to get water out of my ear. Either way, they generally wait for me as they wonder, "What is that guy's problem?"
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So... you believe the average motorist isn't smart enough to know the laws and proper way to signal or interpret a legal signal. BUT... you you think the average person has great enough psychic powers to know when a cyclist is resting an arm, waving, or signaling. I just don't think people are as psychic as you believe they are.
But... then again... if YOU'RE really, really psychic... you'd know better.
But... then again... if YOU'RE really, really psychic... you'd know better.
To be honest, I don't really care what the considerations for motorcycles or cars with burned-out signals are. This is a bicycle forum, and I'm not dealing with those limitations when riding a bike.
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Kid these days don't think that a roll down window has any use except at drive-thru windows.
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Sticking my right arm out for a right turn is much more readily understood, so that's what I do. I do have the occasional driver misinterpreting my left-turn signal for a "it's okay to pass me" signal, but those are pretty rare.
As far as if they still teach hand signals, it's still in the driver's manual here in PA.
As far as if they still teach hand signals, it's still in the driver's manual here in PA.
I remember the hand signals more from learning to ride a motorcycle as an adult and wanting to learn as much as I could about safety rather than getting my government approval to operate a motorcycle. In fact, I never did get that motorcycle license.
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This reminds me of an interaction a month ago or so.
A guy on a scooter was following me while I was on my bicycle heading to the train station. I made a few turns in front of him, using hand signals, him going the same route. We came to an intersection where I was turning left and he was going straight. He stopped next to me, said, "Sweet old school style with the hand signals." and fist bumped me...
I still don't understand how hand signals are "old school." I, by the way, am 28 so it isn't like I'm old or anything.
A guy on a scooter was following me while I was on my bicycle heading to the train station. I made a few turns in front of him, using hand signals, him going the same route. We came to an intersection where I was turning left and he was going straight. He stopped next to me, said, "Sweet old school style with the hand signals." and fist bumped me...
I still don't understand how hand signals are "old school." I, by the way, am 28 so it isn't like I'm old or anything.
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@Insidious C., I don't follow. Why does turning in left in front of you indicate he understood? You're in North America, right? If you're turning right and he's turning left, he should have waited for you, no?
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I use traditional left arm signals, when I'm able to, around traffic.
People generally get it...50% seem to know and the other 50% tend to just yield a bit, trying to figure out what I'm doing, then they learn it on the spot.
The challenge is trying to execute signals at speed on sharp corners.
People generally get it...50% seem to know and the other 50% tend to just yield a bit, trying to figure out what I'm doing, then they learn it on the spot.
The challenge is trying to execute signals at speed on sharp corners.
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I use traditional left arm signals, when I'm able to, around traffic.
People generally get it...50% seem to know and the other 50% tend to just yield a bit, trying to figure out what I'm doing, then they learn it on the spot.
The challenge is trying to execute signals at speed on sharp corners.
People generally get it...50% seem to know and the other 50% tend to just yield a bit, trying to figure out what I'm doing, then they learn it on the spot.
The challenge is trying to execute signals at speed on sharp corners.
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I teach people to turn their heads back while keeping a straight course. It is one of my main signaling techniques. I can do it, but I find I have to practice it constantly. The skill wears off quickly, so I need practice to keep it.
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Signals before the intersection not as you are turning is what I was taught. What I tend to do is use both types of signals. I feel it lets those around me know better, even if it just piques their awareness through multiple motions, also I change hands as I need to scrub speed for tight right hand turns.
If I am in traffic I will ride in the left of the lane so I can see all traffic, so they will see my left arm, not my right arm.
I always have both hands on the bar for turns, so I suspected whomever is worried about hand off while turning signaling is doing it wrong.
If I am in traffic I will ride in the left of the lane so I can see all traffic, so they will see my left arm, not my right arm.
I always have both hands on the bar for turns, so I suspected whomever is worried about hand off while turning signaling is doing it wrong.
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I've mostly given up on signalling right hand turns since drivers just wait anyway. If it is of no use to them I'd rather have two hands on the handlebar going into a turn. More often then not when I signal a right turn, left turning drivers take it as an invitation to cut me off.




