Polar vortex
11-08-14, 05:24 PM
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: there are some very funny people on this forum! Some of the comments in this thread prove it to me.
Even when I'm not learning, I'm laughing. Thanks guys!
Even when I'm not learning, I'm laughing. Thanks guys!
11-08-14, 05:40 PM
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contiuniously variable
Growing up in BadAss Montana during the 60's and 70's and into the 80's we use to call these blasts from the north The Siberian Express. Global Climate Alarmist preferr calling them Polar Vortex. It sounds more serious and deadly and I suppose they're right because of the Solar Minimum the sun is going through right now, winters will become more severe and the polar air effects more of the planet. Every eleven yrs the sun goes through these solar minimums. I can't recall how long they usually last but the current is lasting longer then it ever has since the observation of sun spots began hundreds of years ago. Except once. And that was during the mini ice age. Russian climatologist are warning us this is what is occurring right now and will last at least a few decades. Some scientist are betting our that our 4% of co2 we contribute to the atmosphere may make it less severe. There's also growing support for this natural recurring change in the climate within the ranks of US climatologist but totally ignored by the IPCC and the MSM. No surprise there. If its true they'll all look like idiots.
I stumbled onto this real inconvenient truth when I dragged out my old telescope and found my notes on sun spots along with some sketches I drew up of sun spots. There were large islands of sunspots scattered all over the sun. Grabbing the sun filter and my grandson we went outside and pointed the filter at the sun and...WTF?
Where are all the sunspots? Not one. So I googled it and learned all about the solar minimum and the mini ice age right here on the Internet. And the evidence is right there up in the sky for everyone to see.
Oh. Almost forgot to mention what tree rings showed in Calf during the period of the MiniIce Age. A drought. A long dry drought. Good times!
And check out this 2006 Russian prediction if you have time. Russian scientist issues global cooling warning | Russia | RIA Novosti. I should warn you if you're a devout Alarmist you may not want to venture any further. it may mess with your belief in the Almighty and Infallible IPCC.
I stumbled onto this real inconvenient truth when I dragged out my old telescope and found my notes on sun spots along with some sketches I drew up of sun spots. There were large islands of sunspots scattered all over the sun. Grabbing the sun filter and my grandson we went outside and pointed the filter at the sun and...WTF?
Where are all the sunspots? Not one. So I googled it and learned all about the solar minimum and the mini ice age right here on the Internet. And the evidence is right there up in the sky for everyone to see.
Oh. Almost forgot to mention what tree rings showed in Calf during the period of the MiniIce Age. A drought. A long dry drought. Good times!
And check out this 2006 Russian prediction if you have time. Russian scientist issues global cooling warning | Russia | RIA Novosti. I should warn you if you're a devout Alarmist you may not want to venture any further. it may mess with your belief in the Almighty and Infallible IPCC.
Look... If you did the research you'd realize the problem is not only atmospheric, it also involves the ocean. As land ice melts into the ocean, the salinity level drops, and this affects the ability of the ocean to transport heat from the equatorial regions to the arctic regions, which stabilizes the global climate. The most prone part is the gulf stream, due to its proximity to the melt water from greenland, and its relatively long route. This is the source of warmth and percipitation for europe. If this mid-ocean thermal conveyor stalls, you leave most of europe with a few years to basically shut down and move elsewhere before the cold sets in. The solar cycle is one thing, but the long term climate change and global warming is being caused by humans. You can disagree all you want, but in 100 years we may be fighting for our very survival due to ocean level rise and other direct and indirect effects. I used to want to live to 100, but now i know if i do, i may face hardships i am not prepared to deal with. The monder minimum coincided with a large volcanic eruptions as well, which further induced cooling.
Science is not about picking only information that supports your view, but all information relevant to the topic. An intellectually mature person will follow the data vs follow personal ideology.
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11-08-14, 05:46 PM
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Interesting observation, your original hopes were to live to be 100, but with the changes that'll affect the world in which we live, maybe you don't.
That makes a lot of sense to me, but who knows what other changes will occur in that time?
Maybe we'll take control of it well before then?
That makes a lot of sense to me, but who knows what other changes will occur in that time?
Maybe we'll take control of it well before then?
11-08-14, 05:51 PM
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Around here we just call it "Monday".
....The end is near.
11-08-14, 06:09 PM
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Science needs to stop messing around with nature because nature is self-correcting. Just imagine if all those dinosaurs never died out, we humans would never be here.
11-08-14, 06:15 PM
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11-08-14, 06:54 PM
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First it was Global Warming. Now it's Climate Change. Next thing it's going to be Global Cooling. Don't forget about the named winter storms. The marketing folks have to get your attention somehow. It's just a branding strategy to get more viewers and greater advertising revenue. Call it what you like, but the Polar Vortex is just cold air.
11-08-14, 07:24 PM
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contiuniously variable
Yeah so what ??...Humans have been fighting for survival for thousands of years. Lets face it, life is tough. Ancient humans were fighting for their survival because of serious climatic changes which took place throughout the world thousands of years ago, long before we started drilling for oil and pumping hydrocarbons into the atmosphere. This earth has gone through a lot of climate changes which is a natural process and has absolutely nothing to do with us humans.
Science needs to stop messing around with nature because nature is self-correcting. Just imagine if all those dinosaurs never died out, we humans would never be here.
Science needs to stop messing around with nature because nature is self-correcting. Just imagine if all those dinosaurs never died out, we humans would never be here.
Change can be painful, and it can take a shock to see things from a new perspective. I for one wouldn't want these things to happen, but the science says it's going to. What what should I do, pretend its a lie, or try to become part of the solution? In any case, the polar vortex of NH winter 13/14 and the current weather forecast are not related. The jet stream last winter was stuck in a loop which extended down south away from the northern jet stream's normal territory.
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11-08-14, 08:08 PM
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Honestly this is just the beginning of my enjoyment of commuting in the annual cycle.
Just the other day we had cold and wind, but I liked it much better than riding on a nice, warm day with too many people out there. There also seems to be a little more respect for people on the bikes.
Just the other day we had cold and wind, but I liked it much better than riding on a nice, warm day with too many people out there. There also seems to be a little more respect for people on the bikes.
11-08-14, 08:27 PM
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Honestly this is just the beginning of my enjoyment of commuting in the annual cycle. Just the other day we had cold and wind, but I liked it much better than riding on a nice, warm day with too many people out there. There also seems to be a little more respect for people on the bikes.
Just the other day we had cold and wind, but I liked it much better than riding on a nice, warm day with too many people out there. There also seems to be a little more respect for people on the bikes.
11-08-14, 08:53 PM
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Really? Maybe back bears...Not Polar bears... There is a huge decline in polar bears as far as I know...
11-08-14, 09:46 PM
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11-08-14, 10:53 PM
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11-09-14, 12:49 AM
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Polar bears are totally not in decline. Try living in Churchill
Global warming/climate change/whatever you want to call it has been so politicized that it's pretty much impossible to get the straight goods. So I don't bother trying anymore... I just try to live with the least impact to the planet that I am reasonably able to, and I let the cherry-picking alarmists & deniers fight it out whilst my blood pressure remains blissfully low.
I guess that's why I'm not interested in politics... no passion, nor the need to defend any particular position.
I'm hungry.
Global warming/climate change/whatever you want to call it has been so politicized that it's pretty much impossible to get the straight goods. So I don't bother trying anymore... I just try to live with the least impact to the planet that I am reasonably able to, and I let the cherry-picking alarmists & deniers fight it out whilst my blood pressure remains blissfully low.
I guess that's why I'm not interested in politics... no passion, nor the need to defend any particular position.
I'm hungry.
11-09-14, 03:06 AM
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Anyway, yes! The polar vortex is bad news for some and good times for others it seems. ride on!
-Ace.
11-09-14, 05:49 AM
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contiuniously variable
For?
Theres zero we can do about Yellowstone. It sits at the top of a mantle plume. Basically, we could sap the heat out of the magma in there now but it'd cost billions. Plus the plume would migrate under the continental mass to a new location on the surface eventually. The planet is cooling inside, so it may never erupt again.
Ride on, indeed. I think we can muscle human climate change into reverse, but it'll take resources & mean the end of many luxuries, including alcoholic beverages, factory bakeries & other emissive processes in industry. We can live carbon neutral. It's possible today, now, as I type this. Just need will power.
In any case, just check the forecast & dress/prep accordingly and try to stay warm!
- Andy
Yup. I agree with you 100% there Andy. It's gonna be miserable and I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about it. Even if we stopped burning and drilling for oil and closed down every coal burning plant on the earth tomorrow. It's still gonna happen. and I'm glad you brought up the volcanic eruptions that coincide with the solar minimum...which seem to be popping all over the place these days. Yellowstone's caldera has been in the news recently with all it's moving and shaking lately too. Some scientist tell us not to worry about it. Others are saying get ready to kiss our asses good bye. Can you imagine what havoc that would cause the planet?
Anyway, yes! The polar vortex is bad news for some and good times for others it seems. ride on!
-Ace.
Anyway, yes! The polar vortex is bad news for some and good times for others it seems. ride on!
-Ace.
Ride on, indeed. I think we can muscle human climate change into reverse, but it'll take resources & mean the end of many luxuries, including alcoholic beverages, factory bakeries & other emissive processes in industry. We can live carbon neutral. It's possible today, now, as I type this. Just need will power.
In any case, just check the forecast & dress/prep accordingly and try to stay warm!
- Andy
11-09-14, 06:13 AM
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Polar Vortex: Awesome Litespeed bicycle mounted with skinny studded tires.
11-09-14, 08:14 AM
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Polar vortex is just another name for a mini-ice age or colder then usual weather. It's happened before and it will happen again. Just dress up an ride your bikes , no big deal. Sciencists have created a climate of fear and a lot of people are buying into their propaganda. All this global warming and climate change ideaology has become a big profitable business and there are people out there who make millions from preaching all that BS.
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Polar vortex is just another name for a mini-ice age or colder then usual weather. It's happened before and it will happen again. Just dress up an ride your bikes , no big deal. Sciencists have created a climate of fear and a lot of people are buying into their propaganda. All this global warming and climate change ideaology has become a big profitable business and there are people out there who make millions from preaching all that BS.
11-09-14, 08:49 AM
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Classic. While you guys talk about something that will likely never happen like you think it will, I'm going to go get the snowblower on the carbon spewing tractor to handle the 8-14" of snow we are supposed to get tomorrow.
j.
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11-09-14, 01:10 PM
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Climatologists, politicians, and clergy,
Manipulate small details into large issues to create fear, and offer solutions to save us from ourselves before its too late.
Its been a suckers game since the first witch doctor learned to pray on our insecurities, prejudices, and vanity for a living.
sin.......
isms......
carbon......
Manipulate small details into large issues to create fear, and offer solutions to save us from ourselves before its too late.
Its been a suckers game since the first witch doctor learned to pray on our insecurities, prejudices, and vanity for a living.
sin.......
isms......
carbon......