70-80 km's per charge? You cannot be telling the truth. You simply can't maintain 20 km/hr for 80 kms with those batteries. You should come clean. Are you a electric scooter retailer?

Don't tell me you pedal because those pedals aren't for use, just for show and you could barely maintain 4 km/hr pedalling a scooter that weighs 200 lbs without a rider.

No, I'm not a dealer... and yes that's what I've been getting so far -- though it may be because the bike and batteries are new (I've only had the bike a little over a couple of months).

Last week I had to do a lot of running around into town most of the day. Was dark when I left in the morning, so I was running the headlights. After about 55km, I was still running almost 75% charge left. Granted, when I came to climbing the steep hills that charge would drop way down, but as soon as the steepness eased, it went pretty much to where it had left off.

I understand (and agree) with your skepticism -- I was as surprised. I always ride with my running lights on, so I was expecting being able to only go shorter distances. Like I said, I figure it's only been because the bike is still pretty new, and I imagine the batteries, power, and stuff will show signs of wearing down sooner or later.

As the battery charge got lower, they bike didn't take off quite as fast, but it did seem to carry me pretty much at the same speeds it normally does.

If there was flatter terrain here, I would probably see how far it actually would go -- but way too many rolling hills and climbs here. I'd be a bit nervous that it might run out of juice completely on my way back.

Oh yeah -- like I said, the bike showed almost 75% charge, but when I've done longer runs, I do notice it seems to start depleting faster once I drop below 50% left.


As for peddling -- I never said I did peddle. I have a bum knee from an old injury, and I already learned from my regular bike (which I can't ride anymore because of the knee problem) that it's too painful to stand, even after a short ride. Hence, I got the power on demand version.

Just got back from Vancouver where scooter style bikes are recognized and appreciated by the masses and have been for the last 6 years. It was refreshing. So for all those
wishing the demise of scooter style bikes in Ontario, you are alone in a province of negativity. The City of Vancouver also encourages e-bikers by passing a new bylaw for charging stations in new dwellings, work places and schools. There are many posters who have it out for scooter style e-bikes to the point where they won't even accept the fact that it is a bicycle with a motor by law.
Because they do not want one, they feel the need to make sure nobody has one by citing their personal opinions which is fine. We all have opinions. I certainly have mine about cyclists in general.
If e-bikes are to be licenced, I will certainly advocate the same for cyclists. Their dodging in and out of traffic makes them unpredictable and dangerous and should be insured and licenced. The theft rate would be reduced as well because they would have to be registered and at any given moment an officer could do a licence plate check on the rider. So guys keep knocking e-bikes and it will surely backfire to the point that all two wheeled vehicles on the road will be registered and licenced.


New buildings get electric bicycle plug-ins!

https://www.veva.bc.ca/images/veva-logo-red-80.png

VANCOUVER, BC - May 15, 2008 - The Vancouver Electric Vehicle Association (VEVA) congratulates the City of Vancouver for new by-laws passed this week that will encourage and enhance electric bicycle ownership, and lead the way for other communities to do the same.

Vancouver City council has approved changes to the off-street bicycle parking by-laws effective with all new buildings going forward. The new by-laws address much needed security for bikes. The new by-laws include provision for charging electric bikes in bike storage rooms in condos and other retail / commercial bike storage lockers. VEVA applauds this forward thinking and small but important move.

Surveys of local e-Bike stores indicate that there are now more than 10,000 electric bikes in Greater Vancouver with a dozen stores selling these increasingly popular electric bikes. These e-Bikes need to be charged, much like a cell phone or laptop computer and use regular 110V receptacles. The problem has been that bike storage lockers in condominiums do not have any electric outlets. e-Bike owners have resorted to hauling heavy batteries up the elevators to their residences to charge them. The lack of plugs has been an obstacle to some, but this new by-law will create the infrastructure needed.

“e-Bikes are a practical transportation alternative, especially during the summer months, as commuters can use them without having to shower at the end of their ride – they are relatively effortless, yet have all the benefits of being outside in the fresh air and sunshine” commented Don Chandler, VEVA President. “With the current price of gas and maddening traffic snarls why wouldn’t you choose this as a regular option for urban commuting? Vancouver has an excellent network of bike paths and bike lanes.”

e-Bikes are one of the most environmentally friendly forms of transportation in BC with zero emissions when charged from BCs near carbon neutral grid. Commuting by eBike makes Vancouver's hills effortless to climb and each one that replaces a car prevents up 2000 to 4000 Kg of GHGs per annum from polluting our climate. This represents almost 1/3 of an individual’s carbon footprint.

VEVA hopes that strata councils take note of this need and take individual initiatives to upgrade existing bike lockers to accommodate eBikes and eScooters to stay competitive with new building facilities.
The new by-laws will be prepared by city staff, developers notified and educated, before they come into effect after a one year grace period.

Love this VELOTEQ!

It has a few drawbacks but so what!!

I ride it to work. Saved a bundle not having to take the transit. The few times when I don't feeling like taking my mountain bike to work, I get on the VELOTEQ and gp. I get the usual cyclists turning up their noses at me but who gives a shi*?? It's practically a free ride to work!! I zip by all you SUV's stuck in traffic, lined up at the lights, I don't pay any PARKING, GAS, no LICENSE, INSURANCE.
I pay about a buck or two a week on hydro to charge it. No wait! I rent - I don't pay the hydro Ha Ha!

It's practically free! How can you beat that?? If 'they' decide I have to license and register it, I'll do that. I't's STILL just about the cheapest way to get to work and around town.

I find that people have a hard time with change and anything new and anything that can't be catagorized into 'bike' 'scooter' 'moped' whatever. Accept it people and move on.

Fortunately it is just a handful of people who object to the scooter style and that is normal with anything. One person thinks Fords are the best cars on the road, and another person considers them junk. While scooter style are not for everyone, neither is a bicycle or a car. Having those who oppose is actually constructive because it takes those who enter into the purchase blind, with another side of the coin. In fact I agree with certain comments from certain posters to a certain degree and totally disagree with other comments. Do I think e-bikes should be treated differently? Yes, and they are.
There is a mandatory helmet law for e-bikers and I agree with that law. Should they be registered? Yes,and so should all bicycles. Should they be licenced? Absolutely not. To be an attractive alternative to driving they have to be economical and hassle free. For the most part the people purchasing the scooter style would normally be going to the corner store or to work in a car or a bus. Less cars and less buses on the road is a good thing. There is a lot of joy in riding an e-bike that a bus or a car will not offer. And what is wrong with a little joy in ones life on the way to work?

Nothing, if it does as much for the environment as replacing a car trip with an ebike trip!

Cars create carbon emissions on a scale no e-bike could possibly compete with.

Do these exist? I would really like to get one.

I have a volt Dream Ryder.



https://www.voltcanada.com/pages/prod...reamRyder2.php

Apologies for the dup thread but this IS AN EBIKE. For some reason Volt decided to take this picture with the pedals removed and because of this the mod made a mistake and locked the thread.

If you have doubts then please take the time to click the link and ACTUALLY read about it.

Thank You.

As far as batteries are concerned, here's the deal: volts are volts, and amps are amps.

if you buy a battery with the same voltage as your current battery pack, and high enough maximum amps, then it will work. You will also need enough amp hours (different from amps) to go the distance you want to go.

well I am looking for a good one that will lighten my bike so that it can go farther. Also I want it to to go father battery wise as well.....extended range in both ways if you know what I mean.

Scooter Style ebikes are vehicles that are legal on some Multi User Pathways but not universally.
They have detachable pedals and can be driven by human power alone.
Like the ICE sticky thread, those looking for information on MUP legal scooters will be directed to this thread.

Fair enough.

I have heard of a company called LifePOA. What is their website and what model battery should I get?

i just saw this. and for the one that dont no and do bike in ottawa

https://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/stor...cc-080807.html

this is sad...

joco

I have no issue with that in any way. I ride scooter style and have never put my bike on a bike path here in Guelph. No matter what a law states Fed/Province, local by law states on all signs " No Motorized ", thus I just stay off and avoid any fuss.

I would hope they make clear that a Mobility Scooter ( 3 or 4 wheel), for handicap use would be able to access paths.

Greywolf, you should use bike paths. It is taxpayer money that goes into developing these multi use paths and power assisted bikes have every right to use these paths. The NCC made a bad decision and I expect it will be reversed.

I would more then likely feel differently about it, if I lived in Oshawa in the Durham area, as they have bigger and better paths. Guelph does not seem to have the same for paths. No paving, mainly crushed stone.
I'm sure I'd use them if I was on a much cheeper MTB, but I also don't want to cause a fuss as our local by law states "No Motorized" on all signs.
Car drivers here also for the most part seem to have no issue moving around us scotters. There are alot of us out here now and more comming this summer.

Its the same here in BC. Curious though, with such specific wording, or perhaps not specific enough, regarding the restriction of "motorized vehicles" on our park paths I wonder if quads and paras in electric wheelchairs are potentially subject to these ridiculous and myopic rules? Having worked in a spinal cord rehabilitation hospital the last fifteen years I can tell you that the newest generation of electric wheelchairs can be set to move pretty damned fast. Consider that its a couple hundred pounds for the chair alone and you can imagine the damage they could do to park users (think of the CHILDREN!!!!).
Maybe we should enforce a ban on electric wheelchairs and "Jerry" scooters (y'know, scamps or whatever the auld folks in Nevada are riding around on)?

Of course were one to take it that far then the next logical step would probably be to ban parks staff from using motorized vehicles to perform maintenance work. It would be an excellent act of good faith on their part.

If I had a Hummer and paid taxes can I ride it on a bike path?

This has nothing to do with taxation and everything to do with motorization. When the sign says 'No Motorized Vehicles' it means just that.

As far as i'm concerned, all electric vehicles are a great idea. and we should try to acomodate them to a certain degree.

If you want to ride an electric bike on a bicycle trail, then you need to demonstrate that you are riding it better and safer than a bicycle. legal or not, I would not bother you if you are doing so. Too bad, I can't guarantee that the police will be so forgiving.

another irrational response based on the fear of change. We should police the riders not the bike. A power assisted bicycle is deemed not to be a Motorized vehicle by Federal Law. So what gives you or the individual municipalities the right to decide otherwise. All tell you this Stokell I will fight and I know many others that feel the same way, for our right to use the paths. All you will do is succeed in having all bikes banned from the paths. Pedal bikes are far more dangerous on the path system because any yahoo can purchase a bike and ride it like a mad person. A large percentage of the scooter style ebike riders are very cautious and respectful of other path users. Scooters are also not capable of extreme darting and swerving the bicycle riders are capable of.

The 'no motorized vehicles' laws were originally written to keep cars and motor-bikes off trails. Until legislators can get their acts together and amend outdated laws, I will keep to the spirit but not the letter of the law.

While I never agree with Stokell's way of putting a message across, I can agree with his statement.

Now just for the sake of argument.......

Person X buys a cheep CT MTB, adds a lovely stelth bag of batteries, and a hub motor.......even tho he is still the basic MTB, guess what that Hub also keeps person X off the path.

As stokell says, and I'll quote......

Stokell's own words!!!!

"This has nothing to do with taxation and everything to do with motorization. When the sign says 'No Motorized Vehicles' it means just that. "

That is if we go by the letter of the law.

I can't stop others from going on, but untill everything is passed into law later this year, I don't mind sticking to the roadways.

It's no great hardship for me. Plus I don't want to startle any one when I pass them, as most scooter style bike are almost deadly quiet. My biggest fear is to be moving over to pass and have the person step in front of me, not knowing I'm there.
Who knows maybe I'm overly stick to the law........

I'd say about half of the NCC trails are useless for any type of biking anyway--narrow, clogged with pedestrians, etc.

Golectric, you have been asked many times to substantiate your claims about scooters being safer than bikes. You refuse to address this issue because you cannot prove its veracity. The city of Toronto also ban scooters from their park paths because they cannot be pedalled. I agree that ebikes should be allowed on paths as long as they are being propelled by muscle power just as the Ontario government say.

Can you tell me whats the difference with a bike being pedaled at 20km or coasting at 20km?

I don't need to substantiate my claims, that's what the government is finding out with the pilot.

The reason why I have come to the conclusion that scooter style bikes are safer then frame type bikes or even pedal bikes have been listed by me in other threads. Here they are again.

Scooter style ebikes can operate safely
They are more visible to drivers
They have brake lights and signals
They are very visible at night
They provide more protection from the elements
They provide more crash protection
They are not capable of being pedaled beyond the 32km limit
They take up no more space in bike lanes then an open frame bike

Much of our market is the elderly or people who may have a disability that precludes them from operating a pedal or open frame type bike. Should they be discriminated against because of their age or disability?
The market for open frame bikes includes many young, fit riders that have a need for speed and many are modifying their bikes, some to extremes.
The elderly market just wants to get around on a style of bike that they feel is more visible and easier to handle then a standard bike. Should we force them to ride in the bike lanes or on the busy streets when they feel safer on their local bike path putting along at 15 to 20KM? How many drivers would appreciate any vehicle putting along so slow on a 40 to 80km roadway?

And that is what makes them scooters, not bikes. Listen I don't sell electric scooters, like you so I don't have to promote them. I am an electric bike user who everyday has to tell people that I can actually pedal my bike. It is the primary means of power.

Go ahead and flog your scooters, don't call them bicycles and don't tell people they can use them on bicycle paths, because they can't.