Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets
Reload this Page >

Two Quick Garmin 820 Questions

Notices
Electronics, Lighting, & Gadgets HRM, GPS, MP3, HID. Whether it's got an acronym or not, here's where you'll find discussions on all sorts of tools, toys and gadgets.

Two Quick Garmin 820 Questions

Old 12-04-16, 04:40 AM
  #1  
Bassmanbob
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Treasure Coast, FL
Posts: 919

Bikes: 2014 Cannondale Supersix EVO 3, 2015 Trek 520, 2017 Bike Friday Pocket Rocket, 2022 Moots Vamoots Disc RSL

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 255 Post(s)
Liked 234 Times in 121 Posts
Two Quick Garmin 820 Questions

I've been toying with getting a Garmin 820 for a while now for training, gps, and possible touring as well. I also do organized metric and imperial centuries. These organized events usually plot out the course on Ride With GPS. Can I download the Ride With GPS directly to the Garmin 820 so I have turn by turn navigation coming from the Garmin 820? If so, do I need to purchase the Ride With GPS upgrade too?
Bassmanbob is offline  
Old 12-04-16, 07:46 AM
  #2  
rm -rf
don't try this at home.
 
rm -rf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: N. KY
Posts: 5,610
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 849 Post(s)
Liked 271 Times in 198 Posts
I do import the organized ride's routes, but that's often not necessary, since the roads are usually well marked.

Exploring!
But the Garmin routes have made riding unfamiliar roads easy. For solo or smaller groups. I can ride a very complicated route, with lots of turns.

Stats
I originally got the Garmin for the maps, but I found I like the ride recordings, too. I can see where I went on a group ride. I get elevation and grade, time and distance info, and lots of other statistics. I have heart rate and cadence sensors.

~~~~~~~~~~
Downloading
Anyone can download the ridewithgps route, no membership needed. (Paid members get a few more options, like advance warning of turns on the .tcx route.)

Every ridewithgps route page has an Export tab at the top right. I click the TCX Course link to save the file.
On my Garmin 720, I plug it in via USB, then the Garmin shows like a flash drive. I just copy the .tcx route file from my Downloads folder to the Garmin's Courses folder.

The 820 appears to use the NewFiles folder instead. See the ridewithgps help for the 820 here.

Last edited by rm -rf; 12-04-16 at 08:06 AM.
rm -rf is offline  
Old 12-04-16, 09:33 AM
  #3  
Steve B.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: South shore, L.I., NY
Posts: 5,870

Bikes: Flyxii FR322, Cannondale Topstone, Miyata City Liner, Specialized Chisel, Specialized Epic Evo

Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2506 Post(s)
Liked 1,287 Times in 737 Posts
Never done it but maybe find a way to export the RWGPS map/route into Garmin Connect and create a new route. Then and once a route is on Connect, you can use the Connect mobile app to BT port to the device.

I find the BT connection a lot easier to use then having to cable connect the device to my laptop, YMMV
Steve B. is online now  
Old 12-04-16, 11:22 AM
  #4  
Bassmanbob
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Treasure Coast, FL
Posts: 919

Bikes: 2014 Cannondale Supersix EVO 3, 2015 Trek 520, 2017 Bike Friday Pocket Rocket, 2022 Moots Vamoots Disc RSL

Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 255 Post(s)
Liked 234 Times in 121 Posts
Originally Posted by rm -rf View Post
I do import the organized ride's routes, but that's often not necessary, since the roads are usually well marked.
~~~~~~~~~~
Downloading
Anyone can download the ridewithgps route, no membership needed. (Paid members get a few more options, like advance warning of turns on the .tcx route.)

Every ridewithgps route page has an Export tab at the top right. I click the TCX Course link to save the file.
On my Garmin 720, I plug it in via USB, then the Garmin shows like a flash drive. I just copy the .tcx route file from my Downloads folder to the Garmin's Courses folder.

The 820 appears to use the NewFiles folder instead. See the ridewithgps help for the 820 here.
Yes. I saw that I could have verbal turn by turn directions with the Ride With GPS upgrade. That's what I'm interested in having. Instead of $50 a year with Ride With GPS, I figure I'd purchase the Garmin and have all the extra features as well.
Bassmanbob is offline  
Old 12-05-16, 09:53 AM
  #5  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,148
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18489 Post(s)
Liked 10,271 Times in 5,843 Posts
Originally Posted by Bassmanbob View Post
Can I download the Ride With GPS directly to the Garmin 820 so I have turn by turn navigation coming from the Garmin 820? If so, do I need to purchase the Ride With GPS upgrade too?
Yes. No. Free version works great.

Garmin Connect has a route builder and apparently just upgraded it to support turn by turn directions. If it fits your needs it will be easier because you can build a route on your computer or phone and then send it to your Garmin "over the air" whereas if you need Ride With GPS's functionality, you'll need to plug your Garmin into a computer to get a route from their site onto the device.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 12-05-16, 09:56 AM
  #6  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,148
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18489 Post(s)
Liked 10,271 Times in 5,843 Posts
Originally Posted by rm -rf View Post
(Paid members get a few more options, like advance warning of turns on the .tcx route.)
You wouldn't think so from the text on their site, but you actually get this for free. I've done a bunch of rides from routes I built on RwGPS, you get a "left on Main" just before the turn, and again at the turn as a confirmation that you went the right way. I think what paid members get is a choice of how far in advance of the turn that warning comes up.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 12-05-16, 10:06 AM
  #7  
mibike
Full Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 235
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 48 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I think what paid members get is a choice of how far in advance of the turn that warning comes up.
You are correct. I think the default is 30 meters before the turn. With the paid membership you can set it to any distance you would like.
mibike is offline  
Old 12-05-16, 11:23 AM
  #8  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,782

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 235 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6839 Post(s)
Liked 723 Times in 457 Posts
Ride with GPS does "Write to Garmin" but you have to be a paid member. This allows you to write a course directly to a Garmin device.

You can export the route from Ride with GPS as a GPX file. I'm not sure Garmin Connect allows import of GPX files.
TimothyH is offline  
Old 12-05-16, 05:05 PM
  #9  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,148
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18489 Post(s)
Liked 10,271 Times in 5,843 Posts
@TimothyH and anyone else:

You should export TCX not GPX files from Ride With GPS ("RwGPS").

GPX files don't support course points, so RwGPS uses waypoints to mark where you need to turn. Waypoints exist outside of the course or route you're doing. Using a GPX file will clutter your map with a bunch of "left" and "right" markers, they stick around after you finish that particular ride, they're there until you delete them.

TCX files support course points, so you get turn-by-turn (you get that either way) but the next time you're on that road for some other reason, the old points aren't there to confuse you.

This is a major pain in my butt because my watch (Garmin Fenix 3) only supports importing GPX and FIT files, which means I have to run ancient software to translate TCX to FIT files. Edges can parse TCX files directly, so I've heard.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 12-05-16, 05:38 PM
  #10  
njkayaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 13,536
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3716 Post(s)
Liked 1,021 Times in 715 Posts
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I've done a bunch of rides from routes I built on RwGPS, you get a "left on Main" just before the turn, and again at the turn as a confirmation that you went the right way.
On the 800 (and other units), with the ridewithgps "tcx course" files, the units display big white arrows starting at ~0.1 miles before the turn and a little pop-ups with a tiny arrow and label "at"* the turn.

The big white arrows are from "Turn Guidance" and the little icons are from "course points". The 800 (and others) let you use either or both. One also gets "off course warnings" (based on being too far from the track). The big white arrows work, more or less, like the turn guidance on navigation units for cars.

(* I usually get the course points pop-ups after the turn.)

Gpx track files will only provide "turn guidance", the big white arrows, (if "turn guidance" is enabled on the unit) and "off course warnings" (gpx track files don't have "course points").

Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
You should export TCX not GPX files from Ride With GPS ("RwGPS").

GPX files don't support course points, so RwGPS uses waypoints to mark where you need to turn. Waypoints exist outside of the course or route you're doing. Using a GPX file will clutter your map with a bunch of "left" and "right" markers, they stick around after you finish that particular ride, they're there until you delete them.
"Course points" are, basically, waypoints associated with a track. Typically, these are turn instructions but they can be used for other information. The Garmins deal with these in a special way as part of using a course.

"Turn guidance" are turn instructions calculated by the Garmin based just on the track (and the map installed on the device).

These are two separate things.

===============

Exporting files from ridewithgps).

1) Tcx course files (first export option) contain track information and "course points" (from the cue sheet items).

The "course points" are the only way non-mapping units (like the 500) can provide turn instructions. "Course points" aren't necessary for units that have maps (and can calculate routes).

The "Turn Guidance" feature (big white arrows) of the Edges with maps requires track information (The fancier "turn guidance" is separate-from/additional-to the "course points"). You can use either or both "turn guidance" and "course points" on units with maps (most of them).

2) Gpx track files (second export option). These don't have waypoints (unless you click the "include cues as waypoints", which is not useful on the Edges). Gpx track files work fine on the Edges (but don't include the waypoints).

3) Gpx route files (third export option) contain waypoints but no track information. These files don't work for the Edges (don't use this).

Plain-old "waypoints" are loaded as "locations" (it appears).

Last edited by njkayaker; 12-05-16 at 06:16 PM.
njkayaker is offline  
Old 12-05-16, 06:03 PM
  #11  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,782

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 235 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6839 Post(s)
Liked 723 Times in 457 Posts
GPX or TCX...

Either way, you can export them from the free version of Ride with GPS.
TimothyH is offline  
Old 12-05-16, 07:40 PM
  #12  
rm -rf
don't try this at home.
 
rm -rf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: N. KY
Posts: 5,610
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 849 Post(s)
Liked 271 Times in 198 Posts
My older 705 never worked reliably with .gpx "routes". It would often hang trying to load the route, or announce "finished" at the start of a loop ride. Grrr.

But the .tcx "courses" always worked. It would beep to announce the turn as I was in the middle of the intersection, not very helpful. I turned off the beeping, since I didn't like the beep when starting or stopping, either.

So, just a plain purple line with some arrow icons at the turns worked "good enough". No warnings, no announcements, just the route on a small map. I've used it for hundreds of rides, and that minimal routing works fine. I would just look down occasionally to see if a turn was coming up. I'd zoom out a few steps to see the next turn a few miles away, then zoom back in to the "300 foot" zoom to see the correct side street that the route turned onto.
rm -rf is offline  
Old 12-06-16, 10:09 AM
  #13  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,148
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18489 Post(s)
Liked 10,271 Times in 5,843 Posts
Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
GPX or TCX...

Either way, you can export them from the free version of Ride with GPS.
Yes. But if you do it as GPX it will "litter" your head unit.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 12-06-16, 12:05 PM
  #14  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,782

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 235 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6839 Post(s)
Liked 723 Times in 457 Posts
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Yes. But if you do it as GPX it will "litter" your head unit.
Good to know.

More important however, is whether course files of any kind can be imported into Garmin Connect or the device natively. By natively I mean through actual functionality designed and built into the software or device, not a workaround or undocumented process.

Is there an "Import Course" button in Garmin Connect such that someone without a premium Ride with GPS account can get routes from RwGPS to GC with ease?

I'm thinking about trying an 820 and this is one of the things I enjoy about the Polar. Polar Flow allows me to upload TCX or GPX files as courses and sync them to the device.


-Tim-
TimothyH is offline  
Old 12-06-16, 12:08 PM
  #15  
njkayaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 13,536
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3716 Post(s)
Liked 1,021 Times in 715 Posts
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Yes. But if you do it as GPX it will "litter" your head unit.
This is wrong. It won't "litter" your head unit. Gpx files work fine (as long as you don't select the "include cues as waypoints").



GPX Track (.gpx)
Include POI as waypoints?
Include cues as waypoints? Warning: can clutter your GPS with extra points.
Reduce to 500 points
Useful for any GPS unit. Contains no cuesheet entries, only track information (breadcrumb trail). Will provide turn by turn directions (true navigation) on the Edge 705/800/810/1000/Touring, but will not have any custom cues. Works great for Mio Cyclo. Find GPS specific help in our help system.
njkayaker is offline  
Old 12-06-16, 12:17 PM
  #16  
njkayaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 13,536
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3716 Post(s)
Liked 1,021 Times in 715 Posts
Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Good to know.
No, it's wrong.

Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
More important however, is whether course files of any kind can be imported into Garmin Connect or the device natively. By natively I mean through actual functionality designed and built into the software or device, not a workaround or undocumented process.

Is there an "Import Course" button in Garmin Connect such that someone without a premium Ride with GPS account can get routes from RwGPS to GC with ease?

I'm thinking about trying an 820 and this is one of the things I enjoy about the Polar. Polar Flow allows me to upload TCX or GPX files as courses and sync them to the device.

-Tim-
Garmin Connect lets you import gpx files as "activities". You can save "activity" as a "course".

Seems like a lot of work.

https://ridewithgps.zendesk.com/hc/e...d-the-Edge-25-
njkayaker is offline  
Old 12-06-16, 12:19 PM
  #17  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,148
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18489 Post(s)
Liked 10,271 Times in 5,843 Posts
Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Is there an "Import Course" button in Garmin Connect such that someone without a premium Ride with GPS account can get routes from RwGPS to GC with ease?
Nope.

You can design the course in Garmin Connect, and send it to your device with the touch of a button and no wires. Or you can design the course in RwGPS and then copy it to your device over a USB cable.

But you can't import a course into Garmin Connect, at all no matter what.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 12-06-16, 02:42 PM
  #18  
Steve B.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: South shore, L.I., NY
Posts: 5,870

Bikes: Flyxii FR322, Cannondale Topstone, Miyata City Liner, Specialized Chisel, Specialized Epic Evo

Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2506 Post(s)
Liked 1,287 Times in 737 Posts
FWIW, I used to plan out routes with the free version of RWGPS. It was fast and accurate. I couldn't do anything with it except determine the mileage, I would then have to remember the route, which wasn't a big deal as I have an internal Google map data base. I read maps at breakfast.

Then I went the whole Garmin route, swim watch, Edge 810 and liked the ability to create a course in Garmin and have it dumped via BT to the device. Pretty painless.

I don't do courses and TBT all that much (I have have that internal Google map database after all), but it works well when I need it and in truth, Garmin Connect is just as easy to use to predetermine that weekend warrior 40 mile road ride. Thus I'm hardly ever using RWGPS. Thus am amused by all the work needed to get a GPX or Tcx or whatever file over to the Garmin as I no longer bother, Garmin works just fine for my purposes.
Steve B. is online now  
Old 12-07-16, 08:29 PM
  #19  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,782

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 235 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6839 Post(s)
Liked 723 Times in 457 Posts
thank you both...


Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
Garmin Connect lets you import gpx files as "activities". You can save "activity" as a "course".
I use a Polar, not a Garmin so help me out here...

My experience is that other people's rides make terrible courses, that it is better to recreate it manually. What I mean is that little swerves can be seen in routes created from someone's activities. People don't ride in perfectly straight lines. GPS is sensitive enough that if I am not in the exact same spot in the roadway as the rider who recorded the activity then the GPS says I'm off course. Course found... Off Course.... Course found.... Off course... and on and on and on.

The Polar V650 seem to have much more tolerance for deviation from a course created manually as opposed to a course created from an activity. Is this also true for Garmin?



Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Nope.

You can design the course in Garmin Connect, and send it to your device with the touch of a button and no wires. Or you can design the course in RwGPS and then copy it to your device over a USB cable.

But you can't import a course into Garmin Connect, at all no matter what.

That's what I thought. Thanks.

Also, you have to be a premium (paid) member of RwGPS to do direct write to a Garmin, correct?

Again, I use a Polar V650. Flow Web Services allows GPX or TCX route (course) import into what it calls Favorites. Anything marked as a favorite - routes, workouts, etc. - gets synced to the device. Here is what it looks like...




TimothyH is offline  
Old 12-07-16, 08:42 PM
  #20  
njkayaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 13,536
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3716 Post(s)
Liked 1,021 Times in 715 Posts
Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
My experience is that other people's rides make terrible courses, that it is better to recreate it manually. What I mean is that little swerves can be seen in routes created from someone's activities. People don't ride in perfectly straight lines. GPS is sensitive enough that if I am not in the exact same spot in the roadway as the rider who recorded the activity then the GPS says I'm off course. Course found... Off Course.... Course found.... Off course... and on and on and on.
I'm not suggesting using actual recorded activities.

Other people were wondering how to import courses into Garmin Connect.

The trick is to import the course as an activity (since the only things you can import into Connect are activities).

What you are creating in ridewithgps (any course planner) is, basically, a synthetic track (an activity).

You load the nice, clean ridewithgps gpx track file as an activity into Connect just to get it into Connect.

Then, you save the "activity" in Connect as a course so you can load it into your phone and then into your Garmin.

The gpx file you get from ridewithgps can't be loaded directly into Connect. That's why the instructions in the link I posted talks about using gpsies.

I'm not recommending this approach.

This is much more work than just copying the exported file to your plugged-in unit.

With a Polar device, Garmin Connect isn't going to be very useful to you anyway.

Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Also, you have to be a premium (paid) member of RwGPS to do direct write to a Garmin, correct?
Yes.

You also have to have the unit plugged into your computer.

That feature isn't that much more convenient than exporting the file and then copying it to your device (which is free).

Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Again, I use a Polar V650. Flow Web Services allows GPX or TCX route (course) import into what it calls Favorites. Anything marked as a favorite - routes, workouts, etc. - gets synced to the device. Here is what it looks like...
You probably should have mentioned that at the start.

Export the file from ridewithgps as a tcx or gpx track file (one of the first two options) and do whatever with the file.

Last edited by njkayaker; 12-07-16 at 09:29 PM.
njkayaker is offline  
Old 12-07-16, 11:01 PM
  #21  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,782

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 235 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6839 Post(s)
Liked 723 Times in 457 Posts
Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
With a Polar device, Garmin Connect isn't going to be very useful to you anyway.
I had an Edge 25 for a short while. Sold it and bought a Polar. Now I'm considering an Edge 820 for several reasons, hence the (re)interest.

It is very difficult to hold a conversation with someone who is being so argumentative. We are not saving lives here. It is just a hobby.


-Tim-
TimothyH is offline  
Old 12-08-16, 10:36 AM
  #22  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,148
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18489 Post(s)
Liked 10,271 Times in 5,843 Posts
Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Also, you have to be a premium (paid) member of RwGPS to do direct write to a Garmin, correct?
Yeah, that's right. What (I think) most people do is use the free RwGPS and then use other means to get the route onto their GPS.

Again, Garmin upgraded the route builder on their own site recently, and it supports turn-by-turn now. I think the only thing RwGPS gets you over Garmin Connect anymore is the ability to edit the text that'll be displayed. So if the default "<- Left on Main" doesn't work for you, RwGPS lets you change that to anything you'd like. I haven't used the newest Garmin routes yet.

Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Again, I use a Polar V650. Flow Web Services allows GPX or TCX route (course) import into what it calls Favorites. Anything marked as a favorite - routes, workouts, etc. - gets synced to the device. Here is what it looks like...
You can sync routes (to be followed), workouts, tracks (historical ride records), user profile info (zones and weight), and probably personal records with a Garmin. But it all looks different as a user. For example, Garmin has the concept of favorites, but that's for your log book, you can favorite things you've done to make them easier to find. You'd use a totally different process to put it on your device.

I've heard that Polar Flow's greatest strength is its training load feature. I haven't used it and don't know anything about how it works. But I've heard Polar does a very good job of this, and Garmin does not. FYI.
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 12-08-16, 10:38 AM
  #23  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,148
Mentioned: 84 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18489 Post(s)
Liked 10,271 Times in 5,843 Posts
Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
I had an Edge 25 for a short while. Sold it and bought a Polar. Now I'm considering an Edge 820 for several reasons, hence the (re)interest.
For around the same price, why are you considering the 820 over the 1000? I'm asking out of curiosity. I just went through the same decision and went the other way. I'm curious what pulls you toward the 820?
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 12-08-16, 11:43 AM
  #24  
njkayaker
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 13,536
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3716 Post(s)
Liked 1,021 Times in 715 Posts
Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
I had an Edge 25 for a short while. Sold it and bought a Polar. Now I'm considering an Edge 820 for several reasons, hence the (re)interest.
You made none of that clear.

Advice for people who are using Garmins isn't necessarily going to work for people with Polars.

Garmin Connect isn't that open. Ridewithgps is.

Ridewithgps will work for your Polar and your 820. You don't need Garmin Connect at all for the 820 (feel free to use it though!).

The free version of ridewithgps is all you need. But to get the courses to your device, you'll have to export (download) the files from ridewithgps and copy them to the 820 (to "\Garmin\NewFiles") and do whatever you do to get the files copied to the Polar (it appears you should be able to import the files into the Polar app).

Once you have the file, you can use whatever method is appropriate to getting to the particular device.

Garmin Connect makes it easier to get the courses to Garmins but nothing else. (There are ways of exporting tcx/gpx/fit files from Garmin Connect but it isn't convenient.)

The paid version of ridewithgps makes it easier to get the courses to the Garmins but nothing else (as far as I understand). This isn't really necessary, though.

Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
It is very difficult to hold a conversation with someone who is being so argumentative. We are not saving lives here. It is just a hobby.
I wasn't arguing.

Last edited by njkayaker; 12-08-16 at 11:59 AM.
njkayaker is offline  
Old 12-08-16, 11:47 AM
  #25  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,782

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 235 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6839 Post(s)
Liked 723 Times in 457 Posts
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I've heard that Polar Flow's greatest strength is its training load feature. I haven't used it and don't know anything about how it works. But I've heard Polar does a very good job of this, and Garmin does not. FYI.
I havn't figured it out. All of my rides say 8 days training load or something silly.

My LT and HRMax probably are not right.
TimothyH is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.