Elevation Gain
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Elevation Gain
I was comparing the results of the recently completed gravelworlds with a friend. We saw one person post a result with 8K feet of climbwhile another posted 11K feet of climb. How is this possible?
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Strava explains their process for estimating elevation, and the reasons why data differs for riders on the same ride and route.
Supposedly Strava pools user data from devices that estimate elevation, and correlates it against existing databases.
I'm using an iPhone 4s with Strava, Cyclemeter and other apps. It doesn't have a barometer and I'm not sure whether any cycling apps use the accelerometer or other sensors. I'm guessing only GPS is used.
Since GPS sync errors occur fairly often I figure that accounts for the variations I see between rides on the same routes. One 20 mile route I ride often has approximately 1,000 feet of elevation gain but it varies from 900-1,100 on different rides, along with the distance.
When I mouse over the graphs I can see spots where GPS sync errors occurred. There will be sawtooth or flat spots, and improbable speed estimates (30 mph where I know there's a climb that I never manage to ride faster than 12 mph). Cyclemeter tends to interpolate this missing data more accurately, especially when GPS sync errors persist over longer distances.
My guess is that GPS sync errors occur more often in some areas -- valleys, thick foliage, underpasses, etc. Some devices handle it better than others. Over long distances errors accumulate.
Strava in particular seems erratic in estimating data. For example it will show my speed on a particular segment at, say 14 mph, but when I use the mouse to drag over the same segment it'll show 16 mph. And Cyclemeter may show 15.4 mph for the same segment. But when I upload the Cyclemeter data to Strava it may come out as 13.7 mph.
Who knows. I consider this stuff useful only as an approximation of my progress over the same routes over repeated rides. Any single ride out of context may be wildly inaccurate.
Supposedly Strava pools user data from devices that estimate elevation, and correlates it against existing databases.
I'm using an iPhone 4s with Strava, Cyclemeter and other apps. It doesn't have a barometer and I'm not sure whether any cycling apps use the accelerometer or other sensors. I'm guessing only GPS is used.
Since GPS sync errors occur fairly often I figure that accounts for the variations I see between rides on the same routes. One 20 mile route I ride often has approximately 1,000 feet of elevation gain but it varies from 900-1,100 on different rides, along with the distance.
When I mouse over the graphs I can see spots where GPS sync errors occurred. There will be sawtooth or flat spots, and improbable speed estimates (30 mph where I know there's a climb that I never manage to ride faster than 12 mph). Cyclemeter tends to interpolate this missing data more accurately, especially when GPS sync errors persist over longer distances.
My guess is that GPS sync errors occur more often in some areas -- valleys, thick foliage, underpasses, etc. Some devices handle it better than others. Over long distances errors accumulate.
Strava in particular seems erratic in estimating data. For example it will show my speed on a particular segment at, say 14 mph, but when I use the mouse to drag over the same segment it'll show 16 mph. And Cyclemeter may show 15.4 mph for the same segment. But when I upload the Cyclemeter data to Strava it may come out as 13.7 mph.
Who knows. I consider this stuff useful only as an approximation of my progress over the same routes over repeated rides. Any single ride out of context may be wildly inaccurate.
Last edited by canklecat; 08-21-17 at 09:43 PM.
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This stuff is still being worked out and improved. Many bridges I ride are considered to be on the surface of the water, showing me to descend and ascend more than actual.
Also, I notice my average speed in my ridewithgps app to be off, but once I upload my ride, it seems more accurate. I suppose this means the site does some calculation that my phone app isn't doing.
Also, I notice my average speed in my ridewithgps app to be off, but once I upload my ride, it seems more accurate. I suppose this means the site does some calculation that my phone app isn't doing.
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