raqball

Re: The Karoo, I am not sold on it either even at the tempting pre-order price. Hammerhead has zero GPS computer experience and it's already been delayed, delayed again and now won't ship until November!

I am 52 and can't read anything without my reading glasses and / or prescription. I wear contacts when cycling and these do help a lot. Heck with my contacts in I can even read my tiny little Edge 25 when I ride with it.

I don't see any compelling reason to buy the 1030 but it is a shinny new toy and that alone will generate some sales. The Edge 1000 is pretty stable now, software wise and I'd expect the Edge 1030 to suffer from the normal Garmin new release bug issues for at least the 1st 6 months, if not longer.

The Wahoo Bolt and Full sized Elemnt do navigation pretty well. I do think the Edge 1000 series does a better job at navigation than they do though.

Steve B.

One navigation question I will attempt to figure out is how good a Wahoo is for biking on dirt roads. I know with Garmin you have a choice of maps you can install (at least with the 810 and 1000) thus could theoretically install the Topo OSM maps. The Wahoo has map sets installed and as you create a route in RWGPS, it'll save a route, just not sure the data base on the Wahoo actually has the roads RWGPS says you should be riding.

dim

I've got the Edge 1000 and have been using it for a while now (a few bugs early on, but that was sorted with later software and with setting it up correctly

The 1030 does not offer me much more (of what I need) .... as for battery life, I use an Anker power bank .... as for switching screens, I seldom do that as I have my main screen showing me data such as speed, ave speed, distance, cadence, ave cadence, heartbeat, ave heartbeat, distance to next turn .... when I need to make a turn, the unit beeps and the map automatically appears ... after the turn, it reverts back to the main data screen

as for switching screens , I have have a 2nd screen that shows the road profile/elevation, aswell as a screen that shows me the live segment (my bike vs the bike/speed of someone else who was better than me on the specific segment

I have the remote button and one quick press, and the screen has switched ... (this is a must have)

I also have the garmin varia radar unit connected to my edge 1000 .... this has been one of my 'best buys' ever and highly recomended by me ... a powermeter is next on my list, and the edge 1000 is good for this

so .... if i were on the market right now, and if I were flush with cash, I'd get the edge 1030 .... but if I wanted a great bargain, I'd get the 1000 .... especially 2nd hand on ebay, as many will want the latest

njkayaker

It looks like the hardware differences are:

* The screen is bigger (and has more resolution).
* The screen is supposed to be better in other ways.
* It has the "incident detection" stuff.
* The battery is bigger than the battery in the 1000.
* The proprietary battery pack.

The list price for the 1030 is $600. The list price for the 1000 is $500. The $375 price for the 1000 is "clearance" price for a unit that isn't (it appears) being made any more.

raqball

Are those worth a additional $225?

The only thing I see on that list as worthwhile, to me, is the better screen. The larger screen does not matter to me, incident detection is not a feature I care about, the bigger battery does not matter to me as I don't do 12+ hour rides and don't mind charging it every few days. The battery pack? Instant pass at $130 when you can get a lipstick sized one for $10.

List price is meaningless if that's not what it's being sold for. In this instance you can get an Edge 1000 for $375 and an Edge 1030 for $600 = a $225 difference.

I am not knocking anyone who wants it or buys it as I am sure it's going to be a fine computer but the price is absurd and the price for their proprietary battery extension is even more absurd.

My .02

Steve B.

I think the spec rated 20 hr. battery life is in their dreams, but we will await some user experiences.

Machoman121

nothing special?

how about the larger screen - bigger battery capacity - proper external battery option.

What else were you expecting? Jeez - it's true that it can be hard to please everyone.

If i was the garmin product designer i'll make sure I won't read forums like these cause it'll make me think i had failed. I think Garmin had done a pretty damn good job with the 1030.

I just hope the screen readability in daylight will be better than the current crop of color touch-screen gps (older edge, magellan cyclo).

Machoman121

I disagree with your comments - the 1030 has the most hardware based improvements ever in a newly released garmin. The larger screen - there's more real screen real estate on the unit, the larger battery (this is a good thing right?) without much weight penalty. And a proper external battery option. For the longest time users who needed extended running time have wished for an external battery option - garmin has now provided that with the 1030. I think it looks attractive and well designed. It removes a lot of the faff one has to come up with existing gps units to extend running time.

The 1030 improved on EVERY aspect of the 1000.

njkayaker

People bought the 1000 for $500. The 1030 is only $100 more.

Those things might be worth $100 to some people.

You had a 1000 (if I recall correctly) and so you deemed it to be worth that at the time.

The 1030 doesn't exist to sell to people who only want to spend $375.

The list price isn't "meaningless". The pricing for the new unit is based on what they were able to sell the 1000 for. Basing the price on the clearance price of the 1000 would be absurd.

Even without any price changes, these are becoming more of niche products.

If you believe the price is "absurd", you are saying the people who want or buy it are doing something absurd (that is, you are "knocking" them).

raqball

Apples to oranges.. The Edge 1000 is just as capable for most and the current price difference is $225..

Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself it's a good deal.. If you think it is then cool beans, by all means buy away. Not a snowballs chance in you know where I'd buy it over the Edge 1000 at the current price difference but to each their own.

njkayaker

The 820 is not better (it's worse) than the 800/810 for navigation due to the smaller screen size and the change in aspect ratio. It's also slow and has worse battery life. It's too small for navigation.

The 1000 is an improvement over the 810 for navigation and the 1030 should be even better (better screen and better battery life).

No, I'm not trying to convince myself of that.

The problem is that you think it's a bad deal for everybody because it's a bad deal for you.

Your comparison of the list price is "apples to oranges".

The $375 price is a good deal for the 1000 ($400 is the more usual price anyway).

Over the lifetime of the units, even your exaggerated $225 difference isn't really a big deal for someone for whom the improvements have value.

The price and unit isn't for everybody (that's true for anything).

But it's not likely you have much experience (compared to Garmin) with pricing these sorts of things anyway.

raqball

The 820 is a vast improvement over the 810. The 810 is widely known as the worse Garmin ever made! Is the 820 smaller? Yup. So I guess based on size alone you'd be correct but there is far more to these high end, and pricey computers than size. The 820 is much faster than the 810 at just about everything. The main issue with the 820 is the terrible touchscreen.

Anyways this thread is about the Edge 1030.

I see you edited your previous post to add another comment:

Nope not all, but nice attempt.. I'll give you an A for effort...

I (read: me) think it's absurdly priced. You may not which is also why I said if you think it's priced fairly to buy it. I personally do not care what others choose to spend the $$$ on. Get what you want but there is no way I'd pay what they are asking, all things considered. (read: Edge 1000 current price)

If it were $100 less, maybe I'd consider it. The battery pack @ $130 is fairly priced as well in your opinion?

raqball

Did I say it's a bad deal for everyone? Please provide the quote where I said that. I'll wait, no rush. I've said several times if you want it buy it. If you think it has value, buy it. I don't and I won't at the current price.

I exaggerated a fact? It's a fact you can buy a brand new Edge 1000 for $375 and it's a fact the Edge 1030 costs $600. Even an elementary grade student will come to the same factual $225 difference.

Simple math and product comparison.

njkayaker

That something is absurd to one individual isn't that interesting.

How is knowing that there is "no way you'd pay what they are asking" useful to anybody?

Why do you think that is interesting to anybody?

So, you think it's overpriced by $100 (not $225). For an extra $100 for something people might use for 4 years, what is the big deal?

Seems expensive since the alternatives that are commonly-used are so cheap. But it might work better in wet conditions.

Yes, it's an exaggeration.

It's overly simplistic.

It also not the normal price of the 1000 (some places are selling it for $425).

Not really.

So what? Why is anybody supposed to care?

raqball

Oh my..

Last I checked this is a forum for discussion. Of course it's impossible to have a rational and adult discussion when others behave by trying to shout down others and belittle their contributions.

The same could be said about several of your posts.. 'Why do you think they are interesting to anyone'?

njkayaker

Repeatedly calling the price "ridiculous" and "absurd" (both rather strong words) is belittling other people's choices.

Nothing I said applies just to me. People can decide for themselves if it's worth the price.

That you personally think it's not isn't really useful to anybody.

raqball

And that you personally think it is, isn't really useful to anyone either.

Anyways, we are just spinning the wheels here. It would be nice to have a rational and adult discussion about the pricing and features. I do not think they jive and you do. Others have said they don't think it's a good value and a few others have said they do. Looks like a 50/50 split on the topic so far.

The point is to discuss these things but that does not appear to be possible with you so I'll let you have the last word then I won't respond to you any further.

njkayaker

So, you agree that what you said isn't useful.

"Absurd" and "ridiculous" aren't rational or adult discussion.

You really only want discussion for yourself.

raqball

Yeah, Garmin always over estimates 'real world' use battery life. I don't doubt their claim under optimal conditions and with nothing paired but I am going to guess it will get about 12 hours under normal usage, maybe even less.

There does not appear to many who have it already and they are still in stock at most places. Not sure why as new Garmins are usually sold out everywhere instantly. I've found several online retailers with stock and my LBS has had one sitting there since it was released last week.

The battery pack is a great idea but the price is going to prevent many from even considering it. A $10 USB stick or the $130 Garmin pack?

Part of the reason for slow sales might be the price and that many long time Garmin users have learned the hard way over the years to wait, wait, wait until initial bugs are resolved. This generally takes about 6 months sometimes more.

I'll keep tracking it's progress and once it's stable I might consider it when the sales on them start. For now I might snag another Edge 1000 or pre-order the Karoo. The Karoo has me intrigued @ $299 but I am skeptical of it at this point due to several delays and the fact that's it's Hammerheads 1st GPS cycling computer. Still for $299 it might be worth the risk.

Steve B.

@ njkayaker.

Ragball stated "I am not knocking anyone who wants it or buys it" (as I am sure it's going to be a fine computer but the price is absurd and the price for their proprietary battery extension is even more absurd.")

That's pretty clear that he understands if somebody chooses to buy this unit. Why do you then have a problem with this. You do realize that you tend to get into it with folks who use phrasing that only you somehow find offensive ?. Instead of just letting it go ?. Issues maybe ?

WheresWaldo

My only "gripe" with the 1030 is that I really wanted Garmin to continue on its path of making the lines smaller. The 1030 feature set on an 800/810 form factor would have been ideal, I believe. Similar to how they treated the 800/810 to 820 transition. I think there is a hole in their current lineup and would welcome an in-between size unit. Honestly I am not sure how many 8xx units Garmin sold during its lifetime, but I would guess that is was many more than they sold of the 1000.

Also at $600 it is encroaching on the smartphone market even more than it did before. Samsung and Sony still have ANT+ compatibility

njkayaker

Follow your own advice, maybe?

Steve B.

Well I'm not the one having yet ANOTHER pissing match with a fellow BF member.

Just sayin'

njkayaker

The smartphones people are typically buying are much larger than the 1000. Mounting options are not great (the phones keep changing).

And there really isn't a single app that does what the Garmin does. There probably isn't any incentive to do so because people don't want to really pay for apps.

The 1030 (and the 1000) aren't really being sold to people who would consider using a smartphone.

The Karoo is a cellphone with a simplified interface (it's bigger than the 1030).

raqball

Don't sweat it man, we all know the type. I generally choose to just ignore users like that as I came the conclusion long ago that if I don't give them the attention they seek, they'll take a participation trophy and move along...

Oddly enough I bumped into a friend that I see a few times a week when riding and he said he had purchased 2 Edge 1030's. One for him and one for his wife. He said the wife does not like it and he might sell it. I inquired and he said if she decided to sell it he'd let me have it for $500. At that price I might snag it, assuming he ends up selling it.

I looked at his briefly and the screen does look slightly better / crisper than the Edge 1000. It also looks slightly larger overall which is not bad considering it has a .5" larger screen. Other than that I didn't dig the white color and he said he has had a few BT disconnects so far since getting it.