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Old 04-06-15 | 06:26 AM
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What I want to know is this: If they're called "disc brakes" then why is the disc-shaped thing that gives them their name called a "rotor?"
LOL,, because it Rotates and It's lower on the bike than rim brakes,,Rot--or,, Low--Or..

Yeah yeah I know,, My mom used to take me for long walks,,,but I always found my way home
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Old 04-06-15 | 07:53 AM
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Brakes are overrated. All they do is slow you down.
when I'm tryin' to get on the other side of town.
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Old 04-06-15 | 08:26 AM
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Show me the data. Do clipless pedals make riders any more efficient? No, they do not.

Do discs offer shorter stopping distances? No, they do not.

Do discs offer better "modulation?" Quantify it, test it and show me the results.

Do discs work better in the wet? I don't go for rides in the rain very often. Don't care.



Do discs work better in the snow? Don't care.
You're really barking up the wrong tree here.
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Old 04-06-15 | 08:27 AM
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I test rode a road bike with mechanical discs a few weeks ago. The brakes literally would not stop at all. I grabbed both levers and squeezed them as hard as I could just to slow the bike down. They were incredibly weak stoppers. I WALKED the bike back to the shop.

The employee gave me some lame excuse about the brakes not having been broken in. I feel sorry for anyone who bought that bike.
Afterward did he try to sell you the new, updated, cutting edge, scientific breakthrough.....HYDRAULIC disc brake model?
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Old 04-06-15 | 08:33 AM
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My technique with friction-shifting downtube levers was to reach down, move the lever and hope the chain ended up on approx. the gear I was hoping for. Can't imagine that working very well with greater numbers of more-closely-spaced cogs.
Yep ... that was my point. Otherwise ... for me, index shifting is nice, but not a game changer. I know people who have told me otherwise, though. For them, index shifting truly was a game changer. They've actually told me that the availability of index shifting is what brought them to cycling.

Someone brought up a point here that piqued my interest. As I've said, I am not a fan of disc brakes. The benefits they offer aren't really relevant to me and those benefits come at a cost I'm not willing to pay. But I'll say this ... one advance that would be huge would be some sort of antilock and/or automatic brake proportioning system. And that ain't gonna happen with standard cable driven rim brakes.
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Old 04-06-15 | 09:05 AM
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But I'll say this ... one advance that would be huge would be some sort of antilock and/or automatic brake proportioning system. And that ain't gonna happen with standard cable driven rim brakes.
It's been done - just not too effectively. Some linear pull brakes had a springy link on the front brake cable to limit front brakeing force.
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Old 04-06-15 | 09:21 AM
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As we become elderly we could give a poop about showing our ass and generally, we do not need to be told when to take a nap.

Some of yous act as if you are being forced to buy into disc brakes on bicycles. Take comfort in the fact you are not. Now take that nap and suck your thumb.

My electric bike, pedal assist only, has disc on the front, rim on the rear... works
The Trek DS that was stolen had Shimano discs and worked a treat.
The touring bike this old fart will buy next has discs because for me it will be much safer riding in urban traffic.

This thread did prompt me to examine the rim brakes on my beater. I'll be going to Performance for some Kool Stops today. (let the pads wear poorly)
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Old 04-06-15 | 09:29 AM
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It's been done - just not too effectively. Some linear pull brakes had a springy link on the front brake cable to limit front brakeing force.
I thought of that as well; available on entry-level bikes for the most part.

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Old 04-06-15 | 12:42 PM
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Some of yous act as if you are being forced to buy into disc brakes on bicycles. Take comfort in the fact you are not. Now take that nap and suck your thumb.
Nice try.
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Old 04-06-15 | 03:57 PM
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Old 04-06-15 | 04:45 PM
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Having tried to rescue my first road bike, also steel bought with allowance savings in the 70's, I "lost" mine to a racing accident. I would have been better off not riding it that day.

I moved several times, which makes the accumulation of bikes difficult, but, more importantly, I'm not much of a sentimentalist where bikes are concerned. I have two, a aluminum one and a"plastic" one.

What I am curious about is the fixie and simplicity. I don't think I've ever felt "encumbered" by gears but freely admit to sticking with a single gear combination for the duration of a segment if not the ride. I don't really see how a SS makes a bike simple unless you mean in that very obvious way, IT HAS 1 GEAR. Other than that, it isn't any simpler to ride. If anything, it's more complicated due to the talent required for leg braking.

I am an argumentative cuss, so I apologize in advance (LOL), but the fact you don't need brake advancements is because they wouldn't add to your bike owning pleasure. That, my friend, is what lifestyle riding is all about.
You actually have to have evidence on your side to be argumentative. In your case, you are simply ignorant and defensive.

Still waiting for that "definitive data" in support of disc brakes.

In before: "no data for you, derp!"
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Old 04-06-15 | 07:18 PM
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I think I get it.

"I have a bike but it doesn't have a name on it because it's a "rescue" frame and I'm helping save the planet by rescuing one steel frame at a time."

"My bike only has one gear to free me to pursue other activities."

"My bike only has one brake because I had a close call and I'm too chicken-**** to ride without brakes anymore."

"My bike is heavy because it is something you can't tell from looking at it. I really only care what you think."

I think this thread is of limited use to owners of "lifestyle" bikes.
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Single speed coaster also makes possible coasting downhill, as well as riding downhill at any speed without spinning legs around like crazy as well as taking tight turns at speed without worrying about pedals hitting the ground. Trying to keep speed down to avoid the issues created by the fixed gear does not sound like simplifying riding to me.

Personally I cannot figure out the importance or significance of the one-to-one connection of your legs to the road. Is it part of man-machine synergy thing I've been hearing so much about?
Nope, I don't think that you guys "get it" at all. The thing that you're overlooking is that bike's only purpose is to make BigAura, not you, happy.
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Old 04-06-15 | 07:24 PM
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Nope, I don't think that you guys "get it" at all. The thing that you're overlooking is that bike's only purpose is to make BigAura, not you, happy.
I said as much, you just hacked up the exchange and missed it. It's okay, I know you didn't get the point of my exchange which was to say that if disc brakes don't make you happy, they will be of limited value. It's a lifestyle choice and has nothing to do with accepting or rejecting technology. It's an aesthetic.
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So, should I get disc brakes or not?
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So, should I get disc brakes or not?
Good question for a thread.
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So, should I get disc brakes or not?
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if disc brakes don't make you happy, they will be of limited value. It's a lifestyle choice and has nothing to do with accepting or rejecting technology. It's an aesthetic.
So there it is, Deege, it's a question that only you can answer. Let us know what you decide.
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So, should I get disc brakes or not?
Didn't you just get a brightly-colored bike with V-brakes? n+1 kicking in already?
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I did indeed.

I just thought the thread needed a little humor.

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Didn't you just get a brightly-colored bike with V-brakes? n+1 kicking in already?
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Yep. I went with conventional brakes. But did I do the right thing???

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So there it is, Deege, it's a question that only you can answer. Let us know what you decide.
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I test rode a road bike with mechanical discs a few weeks ago. The brakes literally would not stop at all. I grabbed both levers and squeezed them as hard as I could just to slow the bike down. They were incredibly weak stoppers. I WALKED the bike back to the shop.

The employee gave me some lame excuse about the brakes not having been broken in. I feel sorry for anyone who bought that bike.
In all likelihood, that was the actual reason the brakes were so ineffective when you rode the bike. Disc brakes do need to be broken in before they work properly. A series of several hard applications of the brakes allows the pad material to integrate with the disc surface, making the brakes work properly and avoiding squeal. It was a lame excuse in the sense that the shop should have done the break-in process before putting the bike in the showroom, but not in the sense that it wasn't true.

I have done this process on dozens of bikes I built up and sometimes the difference between the first braking and the tenth braking is incredible.
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Yep. I went with conventional brakes. But did I do the right thing???
Of course you did, Deege. You've ridden bikes with conventional brakes so you know what you're getting AND, you're still around to talk about it. You'll continue to be fine.

If you'd been dissatisfied in the past, you would have opted for the discs. If that were the case, that decision would have been the right one too.
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I think I'll put a pair of disc brakes in my saddle bag alongside my multitool and tire levers and spare tube, just in case it rains.
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Of course you did, Deege. You've ridden bikes with conventional brakes so you know what you're getting AND, you're still around to talk about it. You'll continue to be fine.

If you'd been dissatisfied in the past, you would have opted for the discs. If that were the case, that decision would have been the right one too.
That's a leap of logic. Degital Gee has fallen, the sole means that could have possibly led to his becoming dissatisfied, and he still wants conventional brakes. Maybe he fell on his head. Haha *

* Please don't flame. This is parody.
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I'm discombobulated. I'd like to ride today. It's April 7th. And here in Reno, it's snowing.
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