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Timtruro 09-23-10 02:57 PM

First Flat In Years
 
Yesterday, about 7 miles into my ride my front tire went flat. It has been many years since this has happened and I had gotten so cocky about it that I don't carry a spare tube, air supply etc.

Called my wife on the cell, she came and got me and the bike, drove to the LBS and got a tube, repaired the flat and no problemo.

But it got me thinking that I should be a bit more prepared. Don't want to carry a lot more weight/stuff.

Any suggestions on how best to be ready for the next one? Co2 the way to go,with a spare tube?

ahsposo 09-23-10 03:01 PM

Wow, I thought I was lucky.

CO2, spare cartridge in case, tube and patches (in case), tire levers (unless you're a tough guy) and that cell phone.

mustachiod 09-23-10 03:24 PM

i prefer a hand pump over CO2. if you mess up, you are left with a flat. and i get so many flats i'd have to buy alot of co2.

pump
lever
patch kit
tube
15mm wrench to remove wheel (if not quick release)
pocket knife/multi tool

I always try to patch first without removing the wheel. if I can't find the puncture or if it is torn badly i will replace the tube.

ahsposo 09-23-10 03:47 PM

If I were prone to flats I would use a pump too.

Used a Zefal frame pump for years and still use it with my single speed road bike. I could never seem to get enough pressure with it and find I would abort the ride and return home after using it.

Only had to use the CO2 once and it worked, pressure was really good so I continued with my ride.

I think local road conditions should be a guide. But for me, so far, CO2 seems to be advantageous.

mustachiod 09-23-10 03:55 PM


Originally Posted by ahsposo (Post 11514010)
I could never seem to get enough pressure with it .

I agree, i just use it to get home or to a gas station. i have an adapter to use schrader pumps on presta valves

saving up for one of these mini pumps: http://www.cyclaire.co.uk/

Shimagnolo 09-23-10 03:58 PM

I rode for years in the Midwest (IN/MI/IL) w/o a flat.
Then I moved to CO and had 4 flat tires on 2 bikes in the first two weeks.
&$)&#)((!!!! goatheads!!!:mad:

qmsdc15 09-23-10 04:03 PM

I'm lucky I guess, because I get flats often and have become quite adept at repairing them. Topeak Road Morph pump gets me up to max pressure. It's the only pump I use since ever since the gauge on my floor pump quit working. I usually patch on the spot, but swapping out with a spare tube would be quicker and the punctured tube can be patched after the ride. I always carry spare tube and patch kit because sometimes you get more than one flat and sometimes the flatted tube is irreparable by patching. Pump only, no CO2. Pump can be reused, empty CO2 canister must be safely disposed of, and a new one must be purchased.

Paying for air is a violation of the principles upon which this nation was founded. Give me free air or give me death.

t4mv 09-23-10 04:28 PM

Yeah, agree w/ the pump vs CO2 comments; a pump is reusable and I've always operated under the premise that a frame pump is only supposed to get you home, not complete 99 more miles of a 100 mile ride after flatting a mile from the start. :)

BTW, how much tread is left on your tire? Don't wanna see no cords coming through...

qmsdc15 09-23-10 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by t4mv (Post 11514240)
Yeah, agree w/ the pump vs CO2 comments; a pump is reusable and I've always operated under the premise that a frame pump is only supposed to get you home, not complete 99 more miles of a 100 mile ride after flatting a mile from the start. :)...

Get a Topeak Road Morph and you will be completely set to continue on a journey of a thousand miles, even if you puncture on the first step.

Shimagnolo 09-23-10 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by qmsdc15 (Post 11514301)
Get a Topeak Road Morph and you will be completely set to continue on a journey of a thousand miles, even if you puncture on the first step.

Better yet, get a Lezyne.

qmsdc15 09-23-10 04:51 PM

Yes, I hear that one is better. The Topeak is sufficient though. The days of using a frame pump to get enough air in to just limp home are over!

t4mv 09-23-10 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by qmsdc15 (Post 11514301)
Get a Topeak Road Morph and you will be completely set to continue on a journey of a thousand miles, even if you puncture on the first step.

In a strange twist of fate, I DO have a Road Morph that I got for the kids since they ride their bike to/from school. And guess what? It's still sitting in its original packaging, unopened...:rolleyes:

I've seen other folks on group rides (gasp!) fix flats with a Road Morph/Lezyne and, yeah, they seem to get the pressure up high enough to complete an intended ride, but the pump on my bike (w/ 36+ YO components) is some Blackburn full size frame pump (hey, at least it's not a Silca Impero) and I honestly don't want to sit there subjecting myself or someone else to getting it up to 100 psi or whatever. As long as I don't get a snake bite getting where I want to go is fine by me.

1nterceptor 09-23-10 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mustachiod (Post 11514062)
saving up for one of these mini pumps: http://www.cyclaire.co.uk/

Interesting product. Currently using Planetbike Versair take along pump,
very happy with the performance after over 20 flat repairs(pumps tire to full pressure):
Attachment 171037

But interested in actual reviews for that unusual pump in the link.

qmsdc15 09-23-10 06:22 PM

t4mv, A Silca pump is better than anything Blackburn ever made. Why ride on a soft tire after repairing a flat? I don't get it.

dahut 09-23-10 06:36 PM

First I am DYING to know how you went years without a flat. What do you attribute THAT to?
More importantly, what can the rest of us learn from you so that we can duplicate that performance?

AS for what to do going forward, I have two words for you: tire liners.

I swear by them. I wont recommend one brand over another, as they all seem to work about the same. I'm currently using, "STOP FLATS," for no more reason than I got a good price on them.
But there is something about liners, and its not just the layer of protection they offer against punctures. I don't know how to explain it, except to say they somehow "harden" a tire, even seeming to make them hold pressure longer. At least that is my observation.

I also carry a fresh, spare tube, a CO2 inflator kit w/levers and a Presta-Schrader adapter (the CO2 inflators never seem to do a good job of mating to the Presta valves, so I have the adapter)

billydonn 09-23-10 06:43 PM

It is very bad luck to even talk about this.... much bad ju ju!

t4mv 09-23-10 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by qmsdc15 (Post 11514733)
t4mv, A Silca pump is better than anything Blackburn ever made. Why ride on a soft tire after repairing a flat? I don't get it.

I dunno about your experience but mine w/ the Impero w/ a Campy head (and other folks' w/ the same set up) typically ended up with a tire inflated to enough pressure to get to someplace where you could put some real air in. This was why I made the original comment about just getting home. At least the pumps w/ a thumblock (and a good seal) let you concentrate more on getting more pressure into the tire than not ripping the valve stem off. Nobody said they were riding a soft tire around after fixing a flat, just that it wasn't up to the pressure a decent floor pump would put in it before a ride. If that's your definition of soft then, OK, I'm fine w/ soft tires as long as I don't get a snake bite further down the road.

qmsdc15 09-23-10 07:17 PM

I'm fine with full pressure. I'm not fine with just getting down the road. More is expected of me. Running low pressure is not an option for me, but even if it were optional, I wouldn't opt for less than optimal.

Shimagnolo 09-23-10 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by 1nterceptor (Post 11514428)

But interested in actual reviews for that unusual pump in the link.

http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/catego...uct/plus-23219

waldowales 09-23-10 07:58 PM

I carry a Nashbar dual inflater. Find the leak and seat the bead after repairing it, using the pump, then finish with a cheap 12gm CO2 cartridge. Gives me plenty of pressure in either a road or mountain bike tire.

Garilia 09-23-10 08:04 PM

I've heard, in talking with people that travel with their bikes on planes, that they use frame pumps. The CO2 cartridges can't be brought on the plane, nor packed in luggage, and frequently they can't be bought where they're going.

dahut 09-23-10 08:06 PM


Originally Posted by waldowales (Post 11515204)
I carry a Nashbar dual inflater. Find the leak and seat the bead after repairing it, using the pump, then finish with a cheap 12gm CO2 cartridge. Gives me plenty of pressure in either a road or mountain bike tire.

Pump then CO2 - I like that.

leob1 09-24-10 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by ahsposo (Post 11514010)
Used a Zefal frame pump for years and still use it with my single speed road bike. I could never seem to get enough pressure with it and find I would abort the ride and return home after using it.

Serious? I have had two Zefal frame pumps. An HP, then a HPx. Both of them had no problem getting pressure of 100+lbs. The only reason I've had two is because the first one got flattened when it got ran over by a car after it fell off the bike, my fault for not putting it on correctly.

I also have good luck with no flatting, but this year I had three flats, an three rides on the same tire. Yes, that tube went on the scrap pile.

mustachiod 09-24-10 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Shimagnolo (Post 11515151)

1st two reviews couldn't be more different

Garilia 09-24-10 08:53 AM

I am impressed that you went 7 years without a flat.

myrridin 09-24-10 09:20 AM

I've tried the topeak and had trouble putting enough pressure in. Recently purchased the Lezyne HPG mini floor pump... It works great, I could easily use it to put 120 psi into a tire (its rated to 160 psi). Its pretty small and light. Also the hose is long enough that you can even put the valve in the 4 o-clock position needed/recommended for slime tires and still place the pump on the ground and use as a floor pump.

Only problem I had was actually getting Lezyne to actually ship the product--took multiple follow-ups. If you want one get it from your LBS and not directly from Lezyne--they seem to have some problems with their online ordering system and sales department.

NOS88 09-24-10 12:41 PM

If you're worried about weight, I'd go with this pump. http://www.amazon.com/Barbieri-CarbO.../dp/B000PMGKO8

I have two, and paid less than the price listed (I believe I got them on sale at $19/each). They work fairly well. About 200 strokes to get the tire up high enough to ride home.

stapfam 09-24-10 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by qmsdc15 (Post 11514301)
Get a Topeak Road Morph and you will be completely set to continue on a journey of a thousand miles, even if you puncture on the first step.

Road Morph in any of it's forms- is one of the best around. Just don't go for the Mini Morph unless you are stuck for space. It still works but with only half the volume of the Road morph- it takes twice as long to pump a tyre up.

On top of that get a wedge. Small bag to fit under the saddle. In it I carry one spare tube- 2x Tyre levers- repair kit and a multitool. No need to carry much as you won't need it with your luck.

Allegheny Jet 09-24-10 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by NOS88 (Post 11518601)
About 200 strokes to get the tire up high enough to ride home.

I've always felt kind of demented or perverted pumping up a tire with a minipump along the side of the road while dressed in tight fitting lycra. If I turned my back to traffic I think the motion the driver saw would look even stranger. It’s almost impossible to hold the pump to the wheel, and go at it, without looking like, you know... :eek:
A good case for CO2:thumb:




NOS88 09-24-10 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by Allegheny Jet (Post 11518722)
I've always felt kind of demented or perverted pumping up a tire with a minipump along the side of the road while dressed in tight fitting lycra. If I turned my back to traffic I think the motion the driver saw would look even stranger. It’s almost impossible to hold the pump to the wheel, and go at it, without looking like, you know... :eek:
A good case for CO2:thumb:



Yeah, I do know what you mean. I actually carry Co2 in the jersey pocket. I tend to use the mini-pump to shape the tube before mounting the tire on the rim. I've only ever once needed the pump and Co2.


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