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01-03-13, 10:53 AM
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Or maybe it's his sneaky way of weeding out the dead wood: 'Anybody stupid enough to do it is probably too stupid to work at his company'.
Forgive me, maybe I'm just too cynical and pragmatic for this world...
... I'll just jump over to the confessions thread now... Hopefully Rowen can think up a suitable penance for me.
01-03-13, 12:44 PM
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My role in this ride will be to train some of the riders and to be the SAG. Dare say it will also involve mechanicing before the event and during but there is now way that I would participate if it is a one day ride.
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01-03-13, 12:55 PM
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01-03-13, 01:25 PM
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I guess I'll be the dissenter here.
I have to wonder about the manager's intent on this. "Official" team building, trying to gain visibility for himself or just bored and looking for a bit of a challenge?
It's six months off, plenty of time to build base miles and endurance. Even off the bike endurance training can start immediately, running etc.
It's less than a standard double century which is a common ride distance and it'll be ridden during the longest daylight time of the year.
You don't make mention of the (potential) riders ages and overall conditioning but assuming generally healthy and motivated, even non-cyclists could prepare in the time given.
As to whether you want to take on the role of coach, that's your call of course. You'll certainly get some miles on your legs if you do.
Perhaps a century about 4 months out as an intermediate test. If you can ride a century, you can ride a flat double.
I have to wonder about the manager's intent on this. "Official" team building, trying to gain visibility for himself or just bored and looking for a bit of a challenge?
It's six months off, plenty of time to build base miles and endurance. Even off the bike endurance training can start immediately, running etc.
It's less than a standard double century which is a common ride distance and it'll be ridden during the longest daylight time of the year.
You don't make mention of the (potential) riders ages and overall conditioning but assuming generally healthy and motivated, even non-cyclists could prepare in the time given.
As to whether you want to take on the role of coach, that's your call of course. You'll certainly get some miles on your legs if you do.
Perhaps a century about 4 months out as an intermediate test. If you can ride a century, you can ride a flat double.
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Naah--My VW campavan will be used as Coffee and biscuits will never be far away at any time. It is planned though that a Large panel van will also be used en route to carry bikes and collect any struggling riders.
I don't know if any of you have thought about it but take a company with 100 employees. How many of them ride bikes and how many of them have done more that 20 miles in one hit on one bike ride. Not many if you are the same as the company I used to work for. To find 20 persons and then get them fit enough to do 100 miles will not be possible. For them to ride 20 is do-able though and all we have to do is get the event on the right track so I can get the 20 riders to commit to doing 20 miles. there would be a few failures even on this distance so to get them up to 100 and I doubt I could find 5. And then to get them to do 180 and the "One" rider will be doing it on his own with a good chance of him finding out what target he has set.
I don't know if any of you have thought about it but take a company with 100 employees. How many of them ride bikes and how many of them have done more that 20 miles in one hit on one bike ride. Not many if you are the same as the company I used to work for. To find 20 persons and then get them fit enough to do 100 miles will not be possible. For them to ride 20 is do-able though and all we have to do is get the event on the right track so I can get the 20 riders to commit to doing 20 miles. there would be a few failures even on this distance so to get them up to 100 and I doubt I could find 5. And then to get them to do 180 and the "One" rider will be doing it on his own with a good chance of him finding out what target he has set.
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I don't know if any of you have thought about it but take a company with 100 employees. How many of them ride bikes and how many of them have done more that 20 miles in one hit on one bike ride. Not many if you are the same as the company I used to work for. To find 20 persons and then get them fit enough to do 100 miles will not be possible. For them to ride 20 is do-able though and all we have to do is get the event on the right track so I can get the 20 riders to commit to doing 20 miles. there would be a few failures even on this distance so to get them up to 100 and I doubt I could find 5. And then to get them to do 180 and the "One" rider will be doing it on his own with a good chance of him finding out what target he has set.
Tell the manager who came up with this brainstorm that he can ride the entire run and the rest will relay it, to keep him going. Let's see how far that goes. As I said, this is half-baked at best.
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Naah--My VW campavan will be used as Coffee and biscuits will never be far away at any time. It is planned though that a Large panel van will also be used en route to carry bikes and collect any struggling riders.
I don't know if any of you have thought about it but take a company with 100 employees. How many of them ride bikes and how many of them have done more that 20 miles in one hit on one bike ride. Not many if you are the same as the company I used to work for. To find 20 persons and then get them fit enough to do 100 miles will not be possible. For them to ride 20 is do-able though and all we have to do is get the event on the right track so I can get the 20 riders to commit to doing 20 miles. there would be a few failures even on this distance so to get them up to 100 and I doubt I could find 5. And then to get them to do 180 and the "One" rider will be doing it on his own with a good chance of him finding out what target he has set.
I don't know if any of you have thought about it but take a company with 100 employees. How many of them ride bikes and how many of them have done more that 20 miles in one hit on one bike ride. Not many if you are the same as the company I used to work for. To find 20 persons and then get them fit enough to do 100 miles will not be possible. For them to ride 20 is do-able though and all we have to do is get the event on the right track so I can get the 20 riders to commit to doing 20 miles. there would be a few failures even on this distance so to get them up to 100 and I doubt I could find 5. And then to get them to do 180 and the "One" rider will be doing it on his own with a good chance of him finding out what target he has set.
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You can certainly do it without using motorways and major A-roads. The route might be a bit round-the-houses but it can be done. I just ran a route through bikeroutetoaster.com (taking a guess as to precisely where in Eastbourne and precisely where in Bath) and it suggested a route of 143 miles (it would need a bit of tweaking as it used a short section of the A303, a road people from the south of England will know isn't a first choice of roads to ride). That said you raise an interesting issue that I didn't notice anyone else touching on, namely route sheets.
If you've got people who might get separated everyone needs a route sheet, everyone needs to keep up with where they are on the route sheet, and someone has to generate the route, verify the route (ideally riding it to check it for bike suitability) etc. Then you've got potential issues of whether to take a short route over a huge hill or a long route to go around it, just how fast/busy a road needs to be before it's deemed unsuitable for the group, etc. If you (the OP) proposes a route and the riders hate it you've got another way they can criticise you for how badly you managed the whole thing.
If you've got people who might get separated everyone needs a route sheet, everyone needs to keep up with where they are on the route sheet, and someone has to generate the route, verify the route (ideally riding it to check it for bike suitability) etc. Then you've got potential issues of whether to take a short route over a huge hill or a long route to go around it, just how fast/busy a road needs to be before it's deemed unsuitable for the group, etc. If you (the OP) proposes a route and the riders hate it you've got another way they can criticise you for how badly you managed the whole thing.
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I don't think 180 miles is a problem with proper preparation, but having some knowledge of that part of the world, I would be mostly concerned about rider safety, bearing in mind the UK's dense and sometimes very fast traffic.
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Route sheets are only good, for people who have a clue as to where they are. I know some people who could get lost going from the church to Tim Horton's, and you can see Tim Horton's, from the church door.... You also need to drive the route before hand, and make sure all the road signs are visible at turns and such, I know a well used bike route in Toronto, where the route makes a series of turns, a sign was missing at one of the turns, first time took me 15 minutes to get back on track....
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It is certainly doable for someone dedicated to do three rides a week, two short ones and one weekendride that gets longer and longer during the 6 months. However I am sceptical to people doing it on all kinds of bikes. For fun I rode my rigid MTB 110 miles back from a holiday last summer. I got so much more tired in the hands, arms and neck than I do riding the same route on my roadbike. In december 2006 I decided to do Paris-Brest Paris. That went well 9 months later, it is just a matter of riding enough long slow miles IMO. Do it the french way, have some strong riders up front all the time to set the pace and make it easy for the less experienced.
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Stapfam, we're 30 days downstream from your OP; so what's the status of this? Died on the vine or a work in progress? Just curious!
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Waiting for the weather to become suitable for the test ride of 30 miles. Even I am down the gym at present as we are not getting a day when it is not raining or blowing a gale. Temp has been the problem aswell. Should be within the next month though and there are 3 people working on routes. One thing I have suggested is that a Southern route is followed through to Salisbury.- about 100 miles in- as I know this is fairly flat and secondary roads can be used to here. It also makes it possible to pass by Stonehenge which is an Ancient Monument. Every one has to visit Stonehenge at some time in their life to meet their ancestors
https://www.stonehenge.co.uk/about.php
Other things are also going ahead and that is on the bikes. They have a contact with a Bike company as one of their customers and they have arranged a special purchase deal to acquire and fit bikes to the riders for those that do not have suitable bikes. Should see the death of a few Wallymart bikes and might even get a few of them interested in riding.
https://www.stonehenge.co.uk/about.php
Other things are also going ahead and that is on the bikes. They have a contact with a Bike company as one of their customers and they have arranged a special purchase deal to acquire and fit bikes to the riders for those that do not have suitable bikes. Should see the death of a few Wallymart bikes and might even get a few of them interested in riding.
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02-01-13, 12:01 PM
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... Every one has to visit Stonehenge at some time in their life to meet their ancestors
https://www.stonehenge.co.uk/about.php
... .
https://www.stonehenge.co.uk/about.php
... .
But then I remembered a line from the old Kung Fu series:
"Grasshopper, Just because you do not understand somebody else's purpose does not make THEM crazy or stupid..."
Which is good because, my next thoughts was: "Ummm, I think I do have a lot of ancestors from that region. Maybe one of them did help to build that ..."
OK, sorry... Back to bikes...
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I know I couldn't do 180 miles.
Suggestions:
1. Don't do an easy training ride. Do a 60 mile ride with hills. When they can't make it, say "Hey, that's only 1/3 of the way!"
2. Make it a two-day ride with fun camping or hoteling + drinking halfway.
Suggestions:
1. Don't do an easy training ride. Do a 60 mile ride with hills. When they can't make it, say "Hey, that's only 1/3 of the way!"
2. Make it a two-day ride with fun camping or hoteling + drinking halfway.
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If your ancestry is from England then there is a chance that Stonehenge was part of your forefathers---Except
The Romans came to England about 2050 years ago and the soldiers were from all over Europe- Romans left and we were invaded by the Saxons so plenty of Swedish- Danish and Germanic blood within them.
So not much chance of my ancestors being around at the time Stonehenge was built and if they were- they were probably killed off by all these foreigners.
On the ride--weather looks as though it could improve next week so will be trying for the first ride then. Route planned is a flat one across the marshes and a decent cafe at the halfway point. Then after that it will be a gradual build up till the end of March when there is a Metric century locally that does not take in too many hills. Month later and another metric that should kill some of their enthusiasm.
With the limited riding I have done in the last year- I had btter get training.
The Romans came to England about 2050 years ago and the soldiers were from all over Europe- Romans left and we were invaded by the Saxons so plenty of Swedish- Danish and Germanic blood within them.
So not much chance of my ancestors being around at the time Stonehenge was built and if they were- they were probably killed off by all these foreigners.
On the ride--weather looks as though it could improve next week so will be trying for the first ride then. Route planned is a flat one across the marshes and a decent cafe at the halfway point. Then after that it will be a gradual build up till the end of March when there is a Metric century locally that does not take in too many hills. Month later and another metric that should kill some of their enthusiasm.
With the limited riding I have done in the last year- I had btter get training.
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02-07-13, 12:53 PM
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Just an update.
The bikes should turn up tomorrow and a ride has been mooted for Saturday. Son-in-Law (Ross) has suggested we go along for that first ride to show them what they will have to be able to do. They have it planned to go up the zig-zags--1 mile at 8% and then go to the top of East Dene. My Avatar is taken at the top of that hill so I am wondering how many will make it up the zig-zags- let alone a 16%er.
We'll let them do this ride to show them how much they have to improve and then we will start them on the training programme proper. 30 miles on a flat route to attune the butt to the saddle and then over the next few weeks start them on a few "Gentle" hills. Such as the easy route to East Dene that involves 2x 1 mile slopes at 12% and then the killer of 2 miles up a 3% drag that just has a couple of 10% climbs in it.
The bikes by the way are being supplied by one of their customers at a very much discounted rate and once the ride is over- the bikes will be auctioned off for charity. No idea what the bikes are- what type or what brand. I should not think that they will be top brand though.
The bikes should turn up tomorrow and a ride has been mooted for Saturday. Son-in-Law (Ross) has suggested we go along for that first ride to show them what they will have to be able to do. They have it planned to go up the zig-zags--1 mile at 8% and then go to the top of East Dene. My Avatar is taken at the top of that hill so I am wondering how many will make it up the zig-zags- let alone a 16%er.
We'll let them do this ride to show them how much they have to improve and then we will start them on the training programme proper. 30 miles on a flat route to attune the butt to the saddle and then over the next few weeks start them on a few "Gentle" hills. Such as the easy route to East Dene that involves 2x 1 mile slopes at 12% and then the killer of 2 miles up a 3% drag that just has a couple of 10% climbs in it.
The bikes by the way are being supplied by one of their customers at a very much discounted rate and once the ride is over- the bikes will be auctioned off for charity. No idea what the bikes are- what type or what brand. I should not think that they will be top brand though.
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02-07-13, 03:13 PM
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With some 10,12, and 16% grades in the works I can see a lot of "bugger off' happening.
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Just an update.
The bikes should turn up tomorrow and a ride has been mooted for Saturday. Son-in-Law (Ross) has suggested we go along for that first ride to show them what they will have to be able to do. They have it planned to go up the zig-zags--1 mile at 8% and then go to the top of East Dene. My Avatar is taken at the top of that hill so I am wondering how many will make it up the zig-zags- let alone a 16%er.
We'll let them do this ride to show them how much they have to improve and then we will start them on the training programme proper. 30 miles on a flat route to attune the butt to the saddle and then over the next few weeks start them on a few "Gentle" hills. Such as the easy route to East Dene that involves 2x 1 mile slopes at 12% and then the killer of 2 miles up a 3% drag that just has a couple of 10% climbs in it.
The bikes by the way are being supplied by one of their customers at a very much discounted rate and once the ride is over- the bikes will be auctioned off for charity. No idea what the bikes are- what type or what brand. I should not think that they will be top brand though.
The bikes should turn up tomorrow and a ride has been mooted for Saturday. Son-in-Law (Ross) has suggested we go along for that first ride to show them what they will have to be able to do. They have it planned to go up the zig-zags--1 mile at 8% and then go to the top of East Dene. My Avatar is taken at the top of that hill so I am wondering how many will make it up the zig-zags- let alone a 16%er.
We'll let them do this ride to show them how much they have to improve and then we will start them on the training programme proper. 30 miles on a flat route to attune the butt to the saddle and then over the next few weeks start them on a few "Gentle" hills. Such as the easy route to East Dene that involves 2x 1 mile slopes at 12% and then the killer of 2 miles up a 3% drag that just has a couple of 10% climbs in it.
The bikes by the way are being supplied by one of their customers at a very much discounted rate and once the ride is over- the bikes will be auctioned off for charity. No idea what the bikes are- what type or what brand. I should not think that they will be top brand though.
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Hey, Stapfam,
Okay, another month has gone by. How are the preparations going? How many are still "in?"
Okay, another month has gone by. How are the preparations going? How many are still "in?"
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NONE have even started. It has been too cold to arrange for a first ride and everyone interested has been told to get to the gym and the company has paid a block membership till the end of March, I don't think the ride will go ahead for twenty but there may be a few that think they are fit enough to do it and to that end- I still have the ride arranged for training as soon as they tell me it is warm enough. As it is-even I do not want to go out for a 30 mile ride in this weather.
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Stapfam,
I don't know if your weather has warmed yet - my family in Central Europe has been complaining about the snow and wind. Any news on the preparations for the epic ride?
I don't know if your weather has warmed yet - my family in Central Europe has been complaining about the snow and wind. Any news on the preparations for the epic ride?
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Today in London it was bright but still very windy.
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It is said that all the English can do is moan about the weather. I'm past that and ignoring it. Bike riding is out unless I am dragged out screaming and the gym is the only place for me to work a sweat up. Today has been the warmest day so far this year and we have reached 40f in the garden--Or to be precise- it felt like 40f in the greenhouse. Venture out into the garden and it is more like 30f due to the easterly wind blowing in from Siberia. It is cold but there is a silver lining on the way as the forecasters have given a hint that it will start to warm up--IN 10 DAYS TIME.
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It is said that all the English can do is moan about the weather. I'm past that and ignoring it. Bike riding is out unless I am dragged out screaming and the gym is the only place for me to work a sweat up. Today has been the warmest day so far this year and we have reached 40f in the garden--Or to be precise- it felt like 40f in the greenhouse. Venture out into the garden and it is more like 30f due to the easterly wind blowing in from Siberia. It is cold but there is a silver lining on the way as the forecasters have given a hint that it will start to warm up--IN 10 DAYS TIME.
