Fueling...are there rules?
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3-4 hours. I may add some 5-6 hr rides once a month, (approaching century), but I generally find them too boring. My observations come a little more from gym work-outs that tend to be more..dynamic. I warm up running a 5k, then do a BOSU work-out or drop into a class, like kick-boxing or spin.
I don't think you're right about "the glycogen reserves are stunning". I think exactly the opposite is happening.
Maybe, I don't know that answer for sure & I have an open mind. But I have been reading about training and diet greatly impacting glycogen reserves, like 1000% improvement, and my subjective experience seems to bear that out. I say that because pretty much all the peak and valleys are gone, daily energy is constant state morning afternoon & night. Eating in the evening doesn't much change anything, working out in the morning or evening isn't much different. If you are correct, then I would expect to experience a glycogen bounce after the 6pm meal, feel like pounding it out late night, early morning. Never happens. Occasionally I'll fuel with a Cytomax drink before a tough gym workout, but that doesn't seem to make much difference either. The most empirical explanation seems to be: glycogen is on a meter, no peaks, no valleys.
I don't think you're right about "the glycogen reserves are stunning". I think exactly the opposite is happening.
Maybe, I don't know that answer for sure & I have an open mind. But I have been reading about training and diet greatly impacting glycogen reserves, like 1000% improvement, and my subjective experience seems to bear that out. I say that because pretty much all the peak and valleys are gone, daily energy is constant state morning afternoon & night. Eating in the evening doesn't much change anything, working out in the morning or evening isn't much different. If you are correct, then I would expect to experience a glycogen bounce after the 6pm meal, feel like pounding it out late night, early morning. Never happens. Occasionally I'll fuel with a Cytomax drink before a tough gym workout, but that doesn't seem to make much difference either. The most empirical explanation seems to be: glycogen is on a meter, no peaks, no valleys.
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I'd be interested in the references, because nothing I have ever read suggests that is possible. What I understand to be possible is using those glycogen reserves much more slowly, by becoming more efficient at fat-burning. That would be consistent with your endurance improving.
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Well, I'm not sure if it was intermittent fasting medical journal articles or Ori Hofmekler's book "Warrior Diet". Seems like something Ori would say, I'll take a look this weekend if I find a quote and I'll pass it along.
The other reality is IF-ing make you a little blase about your workout. I've been known to yawn during a "hi intensity" workout, more interested in girls walking by then blasting out a set or aggressively spinning up a climb. That might be consistent with your statement that it's a low octane fuel you're burning.
The other reality is IF-ing make you a little blase about your workout. I've been known to yawn during a "hi intensity" workout, more interested in girls walking by then blasting out a set or aggressively spinning up a climb. That might be consistent with your statement that it's a low octane fuel you're burning.
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Well, I read it somewhere...
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