Helix Update?
#2976
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Joined: May 2023
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From: Ile-de-France
Bikes: Tern Verge X11 (2021), Helix Ultralight (2023)
I just looked on the Helix website, to see what prices are these days. Standard model 10 speed derailleur is just below USD$3k. 11-36 cassette is lame, 327%, given that there is space for more. What is "Hong Kong Spec"? I do a general search online... HAH!:

467% range. Now that's more like it! That yields 24-111 gear inches. Yeah I'd replace the 42 narrow-wide ring with either a 32 narrow-wide ring for 18-85 G.I., or a 34 narrow-wide ring for 19-90 G.I. Or, leave the stock 42 ring on and put on a 10-50 cassette for 20-100 G.I.
A Helix is a lot racier than my 20" folder, so I can see folks wanting higher than 85 gear inches.

467% range. Now that's more like it! That yields 24-111 gear inches. Yeah I'd replace the 42 narrow-wide ring with either a 32 narrow-wide ring for 18-85 G.I., or a 34 narrow-wide ring for 19-90 G.I. Or, leave the stock 42 ring on and put on a 10-50 cassette for 20-100 G.I.
A Helix is a lot racier than my 20" folder, so I can see folks wanting higher than 85 gear inches.
#2979
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New to the forum. I have been eyeing the Helix since KS. However had always thought the KS cost was too good to be true, and was willing to pay a premium to receive the bike once it was available at retail.
Then a couple of months ago, decided it was about time now that I have I have seen retail bikes delivered within a reasonable leadtime and accessories becoming available. But then spent ages agonising over which model.
Well, last week finally bit the bullet and placed my order with Helix for the Ultralight Hong Kong spec, travel case, mudguards and rack. Hoping I’ve made the right decision I am now eagerly awaiting delivery. Fingers crossed.
I’ve decided to post on the forum my experience as a retail purchaser as I’ve not seen any recent posts from anyone like myself to help others like me who are on the fence about purchasing a Helix (for good or bad).
Current est. delivery 4-6 weeks. Although I’m pessimistic as I have seen that the case, mudguards and rack is not available till June.
Then a couple of months ago, decided it was about time now that I have I have seen retail bikes delivered within a reasonable leadtime and accessories becoming available. But then spent ages agonising over which model.
Well, last week finally bit the bullet and placed my order with Helix for the Ultralight Hong Kong spec, travel case, mudguards and rack. Hoping I’ve made the right decision I am now eagerly awaiting delivery. Fingers crossed.
I’ve decided to post on the forum my experience as a retail purchaser as I’ve not seen any recent posts from anyone like myself to help others like me who are on the fence about purchasing a Helix (for good or bad).
Current est. delivery 4-6 weeks. Although I’m pessimistic as I have seen that the case, mudguards and rack is not available till June.
#2981
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From: New Jersey
Bikes: Bike Friday All-Packa, Zizzo Liberte, Ozark Trail G.1 Explorer
New to the forum. I have been eyeing the Helix since KS. However had always thought the KS cost was too good to be true, and was willing to pay a premium to receive the bike once it was available at retail.
Then a couple of months ago, decided it was about time now that I have I have seen retail bikes delivered within a reasonable leadtime and accessories becoming available. But then spent ages agonising over which model.
Well, last week finally bit the bullet and placed my order with Helix for the Ultralight Hong Kong spec, travel case, mudguards and rack. Hoping I’ve made the right decision I am now eagerly awaiting delivery. Fingers crossed.
I’ve decided to post on the forum my experience as a retail purchaser as I’ve not seen any recent posts from anyone like myself to help others like me who are on the fence about purchasing a Helix (for good or bad).
Current est. delivery 4-6 weeks. Although I’m pessimistic as I have seen that the case, mudguards and rack is not available till June.
Then a couple of months ago, decided it was about time now that I have I have seen retail bikes delivered within a reasonable leadtime and accessories becoming available. But then spent ages agonising over which model.
Well, last week finally bit the bullet and placed my order with Helix for the Ultralight Hong Kong spec, travel case, mudguards and rack. Hoping I’ve made the right decision I am now eagerly awaiting delivery. Fingers crossed.
I’ve decided to post on the forum my experience as a retail purchaser as I’ve not seen any recent posts from anyone like myself to help others like me who are on the fence about purchasing a Helix (for good or bad).
Current est. delivery 4-6 weeks. Although I’m pessimistic as I have seen that the case, mudguards and rack is not available till June.
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#2982
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Joined: Apr 2025
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New to the forum. I have been eyeing the Helix since KS. However had always thought the KS cost was too good to be true, and was willing to pay a premium to receive the bike once it was available at retail.
Then a couple of months ago, decided it was about time now that I have I have seen retail bikes delivered within a reasonable leadtime and accessories becoming available. But then spent ages agonising over which model.
Well, last week finally bit the bullet and placed my order with Helix for the Ultralight Hong Kong spec, travel case, mudguards and rack. Hoping I’ve made the right decision I am now eagerly awaiting delivery. Fingers crossed.
I’ve decided to post on the forum my experience as a retail purchaser as I’ve not seen any recent posts from anyone like myself to help others like me who are on the fence about purchasing a Helix (for good or bad).
Current est. delivery 4-6 weeks. Although I’m pessimistic as I have seen that the case, mudguards and rack is not available till June.
Then a couple of months ago, decided it was about time now that I have I have seen retail bikes delivered within a reasonable leadtime and accessories becoming available. But then spent ages agonising over which model.
Well, last week finally bit the bullet and placed my order with Helix for the Ultralight Hong Kong spec, travel case, mudguards and rack. Hoping I’ve made the right decision I am now eagerly awaiting delivery. Fingers crossed.
I’ve decided to post on the forum my experience as a retail purchaser as I’ve not seen any recent posts from anyone like myself to help others like me who are on the fence about purchasing a Helix (for good or bad).
Current est. delivery 4-6 weeks. Although I’m pessimistic as I have seen that the case, mudguards and rack is not available till June.
Shame the map in the portal can't be drilled down to see the number of bikes sold to each country. Would have loved to know how many are in the UK.
#2983
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Joined: Nov 2022
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From: California's capital
Bikes: Litespeed Firenze, Spot Acme, Specialzed S Works Pro Race, Davidson Stiletto, Colnago Superissimo
While they continue building bikes, there's a slice of paying customers left in limbo.
#2984
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#2985
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Bikes: Litespeed Firenze, Spot Acme, Specialzed S Works Pro Race, Davidson Stiletto, Colnago Superissimo
Learned of it on Kickstarter, ordered later so maybe a preorder. Compounded things by prepaying for the UL upgrade when that was announced.
Yay me.
#2986
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Oh my that sucks. They did not treat their early supporters well at all. I wonder how many people are in a similar boat as you?
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#2987
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I don't know much about the whole kickstarter thing, but if they fully paid for the bike, including upgrade, it sounds like Helix owes them a bike. If their early price is causing Helix to blow them off, that's not cool and possibly actionable. I don't know how things went once production started and subsequent pricing.
#2988
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Backing a Kickstarter project is giving money to the project owner to help him realize his project, not buying a product, there is no buyer protection.
The perk announced for the backers is a reward for their gift. There is no obligation for the project owner to give the perk to the backers nor to refund the money, even if the project is successful (and for Helix, since the project was about producing a titanium frame folding bike for much less than anybody else, since it was proven that it wasn't possible to produce Helix at the price announced in the Kickstarter campaign, its possible to claim that the project failed to justify that all backers didn't receive their perk even if Helix was eventually produced).
Unless it can be proven that the project is fraudulent (for instance that the project owner didn't really tried to realize his project and just took the money), backers cannot complain if they do not receive any perk.
Pre-orders are different, its a sale, with all buyers protection like for anybody buying any product online.
The perk announced for the backers is a reward for their gift. There is no obligation for the project owner to give the perk to the backers nor to refund the money, even if the project is successful (and for Helix, since the project was about producing a titanium frame folding bike for much less than anybody else, since it was proven that it wasn't possible to produce Helix at the price announced in the Kickstarter campaign, its possible to claim that the project failed to justify that all backers didn't receive their perk even if Helix was eventually produced).
Unless it can be proven that the project is fraudulent (for instance that the project owner didn't really tried to realize his project and just took the money), backers cannot complain if they do not receive any perk.
Pre-orders are different, its a sale, with all buyers protection like for anybody buying any product online.
#2991
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Joined: Apr 2025
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I’d like to think that the majority of kickstarters fail due to the owner’s naivety in planning how much money is required to startup a business, particularly cash flow. I’ve seen many mature businesses fail just for that reason alone because they have been too ambitious in chasing an opportunity or winning a job.
I’m an optimist and would like to believe that Peter (owner of Helix?) will slowly honour the KS investors and pre-orders as more retail units are sold and cash is realised for refunds etc.
If we assume each unit is sold at 30% margin (est. conservative side). And taking standard RRP of $3000. Then for every bike sold, only $900 cash is generated, which means at least 2 retail bikes needs to sold to fulfil every KS or pre-order, that’s excluding any loans to pay back equipment lease or purchase.
From what I can see, Helix as a company isn’t a mom and pop shop in the back of someone’s shed with low overheads.
When I do receive the bike, it will not be my first titanium bike. My allroad titanium bike with carbon wheels costs significantly more and is not that much lighter to be honest. Although I have travelled abroad with it a few times. It’s still not that convenient. Takes about a couple of hours to pack properly (I take great care when packing 😅
and the bike box takes up a lot of room. Definitely takes more planning regarding transport at the other end. I am hoping that with the Helix, I am able to participate in more 100 mile+ rides abroad with far less planning as I can just use up one of my two luggage allowances and spend less time packing up between uses.
I’m an optimist and would like to believe that Peter (owner of Helix?) will slowly honour the KS investors and pre-orders as more retail units are sold and cash is realised for refunds etc.
If we assume each unit is sold at 30% margin (est. conservative side). And taking standard RRP of $3000. Then for every bike sold, only $900 cash is generated, which means at least 2 retail bikes needs to sold to fulfil every KS or pre-order, that’s excluding any loans to pay back equipment lease or purchase.
From what I can see, Helix as a company isn’t a mom and pop shop in the back of someone’s shed with low overheads.
When I do receive the bike, it will not be my first titanium bike. My allroad titanium bike with carbon wheels costs significantly more and is not that much lighter to be honest. Although I have travelled abroad with it a few times. It’s still not that convenient. Takes about a couple of hours to pack properly (I take great care when packing 😅
and the bike box takes up a lot of room. Definitely takes more planning regarding transport at the other end. I am hoping that with the Helix, I am able to participate in more 100 mile+ rides abroad with far less planning as I can just use up one of my two luggage allowances and spend less time packing up between uses.
#2992
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#2993
I live in NYC. I really want to buy one but I can't shell out this kind of money after all of the controversies. I've been around since the beginning of the Kickstarter campaign too. To make the original backers pay additional money for their bikes after all of these years is wrong. The owner used the initial seed money to get the business off the ground in China. Also, I'm still not convinced of the Helix's ergonomics, how the parts fit and work together. At least the Brompton T-Line is tried and true at this point, and I've ridden it. It's crazy, I still consider the Helix in the prototype stage at this moment. Not enough are being made.
#2994
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I live in NYC. I really want to buy one but I can't shell out this kind of money after all of the controversies. I've been around since the beginning of the Kickstarter campaign too. To make the original backers pay additional money for their bikes after all of these years is wrong. The owner used the initial seed money to get the business off the ground in China. Also, I'm still not convinced of the Helix's ergonomics, how the parts fit and work together. At least the Brompton T-Line is tried and true at this point, and I've ridden it. It's crazy, I still consider the Helix in the prototype stage at this moment. Not enough are being made.
I'd say definitely beyond prototype stage, but (to their credit) they have incorporated improvements as they are perfected.
#2995
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Joined: Apr 2025
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Going to visit Toronto in Sept for the Lady Gaga concert.
Have reached out to Helix to see if they were willing to let me visit their shop while I’m there. Maybe get some questions answered on behalf of some of the forum members. I’ll hopefully have my bike with me as well🤞.
Have reached out to Helix to see if they were willing to let me visit their shop while I’m there. Maybe get some questions answered on behalf of some of the forum members. I’ll hopefully have my bike with me as well🤞.
#2996
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Joined: Apr 2025
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My bike number is #3283 !!
4~6 weeks is the estimate, but I doubt it will be sent so soon.
Fingers crossed
#2997
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Joined: May 2023
Posts: 54
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From: Ile-de-France
Bikes: Tern Verge X11 (2021), Helix Ultralight (2023)
Indeed. I discovered Helix years after their Kickstarter campaign. I think they underestimated the engineering difficulty. I don't know what happened, but it seemed difficult for both the company and the backers.
At least they're still operational, which is quite a feat in itself.
It's definitely beyond the prototype stage. I have the 2023 version and have never felt like I was riding a prototype.
#2998
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FYI, they have tan-wall version of the ultralight tires, so I had mine fitted with it. I was told it will be added to their shop page soon.
#2999
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You were right. Got my fedex notice for shipping. I also got a photo of my bike as well. I should be getting my bike within 2 weeks.
FYI, they have tan-wall version of the ultralight tires, so I had mine fitted with it. I was told it will be added to their shop page soon.
FYI, they have tan-wall version of the ultralight tires, so I had mine fitted with it. I was told it will be added to their shop page soon.
I did get an update from Ana at Helix who says they don't typically allow the public to visit, but could accomodate me in Sept provided I sign an NDA.
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#3000
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Anyway, my impression of the Helix at a glance.
1. Order to delivery was 4 weeks. Ordered on 4th April. Delivered on 2nd May. Pleasant surprise
2. Fold is just beautiful. This is the main reason why I got this bike. Very nice.
3. Front folding fork had a bit of problem. Two parts of the fork weren't aligning properly so the knob had trouble latching on. Ended up re-assembling the parts to make it more tight. Still wobbly so I probably would need to keep an eye out.
4. Seatpost. Yeah.. I don't get this seatpost honestly. I will get a new one down the line.
5. Tiny easywheel. It doesn't have enough clearance from the ground. I will have to find a larger easywheel. I read somewhere 80mm is too much. So I will try 60mm.
6. Ultralight tan-wall tires. Not so tan as I would've liked but it does give the bike a more vintage look. I like it.
7. VERY tight fold. It's nice but it also doesn't have much room for playing around, which in turn limits accessories.
8. Folding. I struggled at first to unfold and fold. Especially with the initial front fork problem. After I got used to it, it takes roughly 20secs. So nice.
9. Limited accessories is rather annoying.
10. There are no squeaks in the folding parts. Like None. So far anyway. My Dahon squeaks here and there but Helix, none. Very nice.
11. I got 11 speedn HK spec. Maybe due to this larger cog, when the knob for the handlebar is at fully released position and you fold, it touches the derailleur/cogs. I found that after you release the handlebar, then tightening just the knob back in will prevent this. I will have to put some protection on the knob.
It's been raining here for 2 days so I didn't get a chance to take it for a ride. Being used to 52t chainring, I don't know how 36t chainring will feel.
Can't wait to take it for a ride.



