Brompton 3-speed hub
#76
IMHO if you do not buy what you want now you`ll just end up buying another one and that is not saving any money...
I rarely lock up my older regular 5 speed B so if I had the TI model I would not leave it for 10 sek. I keep a Dahon Curve for the times when I need to lock up a 16" folder.
I rarely lock up my older regular 5 speed B so if I had the TI model I would not leave it for 10 sek. I keep a Dahon Curve for the times when I need to lock up a 16" folder.
#77
Something like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Portable-1000.../dp/B013WKTI16
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rec, funny that you revived the thread, I was just reading it.
I'm considering getting a Brompton (my first foldable, and first bike really), and I'm trying to decide between 3 and 6 gears. I'm leaning due to the 3-gear due to simplicity and easier maintenance, but I live in a hilly area so I have doubts.
I understand how the internal 3-gear one works. Could you explain in newbie terms how the 6-gear one works? Are there 3-gears in the back wheel and 2 additional gears elsewhere? If somebody can post detailed pictures of the 6 gears that would be much appreciated, I'm curious about how they look.
Cheers!
I'm considering getting a Brompton (my first foldable, and first bike really), and I'm trying to decide between 3 and 6 gears. I'm leaning due to the 3-gear due to simplicity and easier maintenance, but I live in a hilly area so I have doubts.
I understand how the internal 3-gear one works. Could you explain in newbie terms how the 6-gear one works? Are there 3-gears in the back wheel and 2 additional gears elsewhere? If somebody can post detailed pictures of the 6 gears that would be much appreciated, I'm curious about how they look.
Cheers!
#80
The SpeedDrive is also built by ATS from Taiwan under license.

https://bikegang.ecwid.com/#!/Brompt...tegory=9803294

https://bikegang.ecwid.com/#!/Brompt...tegory=9803294
#81
The SpeedDrive is also built by ATS from Taiwan under license.
https://bikegang.ecwid.com/#!/Brompt...tegory=9803294
https://bikegang.ecwid.com/#!/Brompt...tegory=9803294
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Listed on ebay albeit with the same disclosure no sales to EU and Americas:
ATS Speed Drive Internal Gear crankset 2 speeds, 170mm, Brompton,w/tool | eBay
Strida variant does not have the EU and Americas restriction:
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The Swiss companies, bike division, has shifted its manufacturing and sales to Germany to sell in Euros,
rather than CHF.
Because the Swiss Currency is higher valued. All those Swiss bank deposits push it up.
rather than CHF.
Because the Swiss Currency is higher valued. All those Swiss bank deposits push it up.
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Hello,
Bromie's 3-gear (with std hub) has 13t sprocket and with 44t crank. Any idea if this hub can handle 16t sprocket for better 3 gear span? Since I am not after speed, trying to get better hill ability with 3-gears...
thank you
Bromie's 3-gear (with std hub) has 13t sprocket and with 44t crank. Any idea if this hub can handle 16t sprocket for better 3 gear span? Since I am not after speed, trying to get better hill ability with 3-gears...
thank you
#85
If you scroll down and look at the left side the two cog combo (for the modern 6 speeds) 16t is the biggest. For the one cog hubs it looks like 14 is the biggest stock cog.
I use a 15t on mine becouse I do not always accept what I am told
If yur frames are new enough to have the braze on for the rear shifter (shifting between two cogs) you may be able to put the B two speed der instead of the chain tensioner. May be cheaper and easyer to do something in the front instead.
Somebody recently linked to this page:
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for the 6 speed it still needs a chain tensioner, but it is a different one, because the derailleur fork pushes the pulley back and forth
by flanges on it on either side of the toothed pulley .. and there is a lot of chain slack to take up when the rear is folded under.
Aftermarket has gotten their CNC machines making aluminum replacements that are pretty, but may bend , deform,
when the plastic one will bend and spring back.
Double chainrings and greasy finger shifting between them is possible..
I have a Swiss made Mountain drive crank on my M3L, the low range is running thru the 3 hub speeds another time
In 123 the crank arms turn more often than the chainring, then 456 is in direct drive on the crank.. they turn at the same rate.

Old 5 speed Mk2 era, had 2 cables going to opposite sides of the hub.
the current 6 speed has 2 cables to 2 different types of shifting 1 the right goes to the internal gear 1,2,3
the left lever to the 2 'speed' A or B cog external , thre internal you pause pedaling to shift it ,
the external you keep pedaling but let up on the pedal force to let the chain jump from one to the other..

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by flanges on it on either side of the toothed pulley .. and there is a lot of chain slack to take up when the rear is folded under.
Aftermarket has gotten their CNC machines making aluminum replacements that are pretty, but may bend , deform,
when the plastic one will bend and spring back.
Double chainrings and greasy finger shifting between them is possible..
I have a Swiss made Mountain drive crank on my M3L, the low range is running thru the 3 hub speeds another time
In 123 the crank arms turn more often than the chainring, then 456 is in direct drive on the crank.. they turn at the same rate.

Old 5 speed Mk2 era, had 2 cables going to opposite sides of the hub.
the current 6 speed has 2 cables to 2 different types of shifting 1 the right goes to the internal gear 1,2,3
the left lever to the 2 'speed' A or B cog external , thre internal you pause pedaling to shift it ,
the external you keep pedaling but let up on the pedal force to let the chain jump from one to the other..

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#87
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Your best bet is to look for a 130 BCD singlespeed ring for the cranks. 42t is easy to find, and 40 is out there, too, if you search a while (Blackspire makes one). You'll need to take a couple links out of the chain.
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Hello,
Looks like first action will be to change 13t to 15t (or try 16t - need to discuss the mechanicher guy in the bike shop) and second 42t crank... They should optimize...
Or improve my condition
)
Looks like first action will be to change 13t to 15t (or try 16t - need to discuss the mechanicher guy in the bike shop) and second 42t crank... They should optimize...
Or improve my condition
)
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I swapped the rear wheel with my 6 speed temporarily; using the 16T sprocket & the tensioner for der. Also
swapped crank/chainring, 39T. Pretty common size with Shimano:
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What I understand is better to play on smaller (39t or so) 130 bcd chainring than rear sprocket. Best fit seems Alfine's 39T with chainguard default... thanks to all...
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