A frame I made.
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A frame I made.
Made from an old school Easton road kit with some additional tube shaping. There were five forming operations done to the seat stays before the first cut. The frame weighs 1250gm. I smoothed the welds for something different.
The head tube was made from an unusual piece of tube and is reduced in diameter to give the front a cleaner look. It's quite stiff regardless of the smaller tubes. Ill add a few more pics when the final spec is installed.

my new frame! by frankthewelder, on Flickr

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The head tube was made from an unusual piece of tube and is reduced in diameter to give the front a cleaner look. It's quite stiff regardless of the smaller tubes. Ill add a few more pics when the final spec is installed.

my new frame! by frankthewelder, on Flickr

29 687 by frankthewelder, on Flickr

29 685 by frankthewelder, on Flickr

29 678 by frankthewelder, on Flickr

29 673 by frankthewelder, on Flickr
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Frank- I like how the tubes flow into each other. Andy.
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Thanks, it was a fun frame to build. I have 125 miles since Friday and like it quite a bit. This is the first aluminum bike I have ridden in a really long time. I am getting more accustomed to the unusual vibrations.
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I don't know.

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so cool. I'm so envious. Can't imagine riding my own hand-built frame.
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Very cool frame, Frank! Like others have said, the way those tubes flow together post-treatment is very nice. And very nice components, too. May I ask you why you chose to add spacers to the fork instead of making the HT longer? Frame stiffness? Weight? tube set limit? Adjustment options? Just curious 

I wasn't sure what fit specifications I would finally end up with. The shaped spacer was the inspiration for the head tube design so it will stay also.
It's nice being able to build your own frames. While I love having a nicer bike than I would likely buy for myself, the best part is being able to have bikes of many types for whatever purpose. I have two DH bikes, a trials bike, two BMX bikes, tons of road bikes a tandem and my next project is an all aluminum, fully rigid 2-speed 650B XC bike. the gears will be through a hammerschmidt crank set and a 1930's style road/path "all brazed up".
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In other words it is TIG welded. GTAW, or as one tends to see it TIG (GTAW), is one of those acronyms that hasn't caught on among those who want to communicate with others.
Lots of frames are MIG (GMAW) welded, but none that I know of by custom builders. If you look at all those aluminum frames, or steel, that are at places like Walmart, they often have runs of perfect "dimes" very nice looking really, and that is probably MIG machine welding.
Here is the Marchetti machine for MIG welding, though who knows, that may be Italian for TIG.
https://www.marchettispa.it/telai/det...?DocumentID=16
Lots of frames are MIG (GMAW) welded, but none that I know of by custom builders. If you look at all those aluminum frames, or steel, that are at places like Walmart, they often have runs of perfect "dimes" very nice looking really, and that is probably MIG machine welding.
Here is the Marchetti machine for MIG welding, though who knows, that may be Italian for TIG.

https://www.marchettispa.it/telai/det...?DocumentID=16
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Thanks!
I wasn't sure what fit specifications I would finally end up with. The shaped spacer was the inspiration for the head tube design so it will stay also.
It's nice being able to build your own frames. While I love having a nicer bike than I would likely buy for myself, the best part is being able to have bikes of many types for whatever purpose. I have two DH bikes, a trials bike, two BMX bikes, tons of road bikes a tandem and my next project is an all aluminum, fully rigid 2-speed 650B XC bike. the gears will be through a hammerschmidt crank set and a 1930's style road/path "all brazed up".
I wasn't sure what fit specifications I would finally end up with. The shaped spacer was the inspiration for the head tube design so it will stay also.
It's nice being able to build your own frames. While I love having a nicer bike than I would likely buy for myself, the best part is being able to have bikes of many types for whatever purpose. I have two DH bikes, a trials bike, two BMX bikes, tons of road bikes a tandem and my next project is an all aluminum, fully rigid 2-speed 650B XC bike. the gears will be through a hammerschmidt crank set and a 1930's style road/path "all brazed up".
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In other words it is TIG welded. GTAW, or as one tends to see it TIG (GTAW), is one of those acronyms that hasn't caught on among those who want to communicate with others.
Lots of frames are MIG (GMAW) welded, but none that I know of by custom builders. If you look at all those aluminum frames, or steel, that are at places like Walmart, they often have runs of perfect "dimes" very nice looking really, and that is probably MIG machine welding.
Here is the Marchetti machine for MIG welding, though who knows, that may be Italian for TIG.
https://www.marchettispa.it/telai/det...?DocumentID=16
Lots of frames are MIG (GMAW) welded, but none that I know of by custom builders. If you look at all those aluminum frames, or steel, that are at places like Walmart, they often have runs of perfect "dimes" very nice looking really, and that is probably MIG machine welding.
Here is the Marchetti machine for MIG welding, though who knows, that may be Italian for TIG.

https://www.marchettispa.it/telai/det...?DocumentID=16
People are cheaper than electricity where bikes are made. most things are made by people if they can be used in place of a machine.
Last edited by ftwelder; 05-01-12 at 04:39 PM.
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Wow Frank, talk about building a base of skill.
Here is a robotic MIG bike welder with pulse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6669_gyYh8
Here is a robotic MIG bike welder with pulse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6669_gyYh8
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I think I see the wire feed thing around 2:00 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMdrP...eature=related
Cool to know what one is looking at.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMdrP...eature=related
Cool to know what one is looking at.
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"...... my painter ages my 7005 frames and I take my 6061 frames to Industrial Heattreating in Quincy MA. I have an alignment fixture at the HT facility for the 6061 frames."
Frank, I have a few questions: What is meant by "ages"? Are the 6061 frames completely built and then heat treated in the alignment fixture? What is the configuration of the alignment fixture?
thanks,
Brian
Frank, I have a few questions: What is meant by "ages"? Are the 6061 frames completely built and then heat treated in the alignment fixture? What is the configuration of the alignment fixture?
thanks,
Brian
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"...... my painter ages my 7005 frames and I take my 6061 frames to Industrial Heattreating in Quincy MA. I have an alignment fixture at the HT facility for the 6061 frames."
Frank, I have a few questions: What is meant by "ages"? Are the 6061 frames completely built and then heat treated in the alignment fixture? What is the configuration of the alignment fixture?
thanks,
Brian
Frank, I have a few questions: What is meant by "ages"? Are the 6061 frames completely built and then heat treated in the alignment fixture? What is the configuration of the alignment fixture?
thanks,
Brian
There are two phases to the hardening process for aluminum tubing. First, there is "solution" where the frame is heated to over 900 degrees then quickly cooled. At that point the material is very soft (W condition it's called) but it is slowly beginning to get harder. To achieve full hardness or desired mechanical properties you then need to age the frame at a lower temp (500 or so)
on 6061 both these phases must be done after welding, 7005 only the age is required after welding. I looked for some photos of the alignment table and only found this one. It's a simple tool and lighter than one for aligning hard frames. It is very fast, which is ideal for the situation where it is used. Also,
At this point the frame is barely able to support it's own weight and certainly not the weight of the arbor. That is a trials frame shown in the image also.

22 002 by frankthewelder, on Flickr
here are a few more pics

IMG_2856 by frankthewelder, on Flickr

IMG_2303 by frankthewelder, on Flickr

IMG_2176 by frankthewelder, on Flickr
my troy lee welding hood

weldhood by frankthewelder, on Flickr

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Last edited by ftwelder; 05-05-12 at 04:44 AM.
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