I had a bike for sale on CL. We agreed on a price. I wanted to keep the saddle and offered to take 25 dollars off the price if I kept the saddle. Its a WTB Speed progel that he says is cheap crap. So he says he wants OEM saddle. Fine I can supply him on in one week. He uses the WTB for one week and I give him OEM when I get it. Than he wines like a kid cause its a painful process. I had sold the OEM on the bay.

Now he tries to pull one on me, says take 50 dollars off the bike with no Saddle. WTF?

He was willing to pay the agreed upon price of bike with WTB saddle on it as it was shown in CL pic. He says he like OEM, fine I get you a new OEM one. But he changes his mind and wants 50 off the agreed price to chose his own saddle. I've never had a buyer ask me to take 50 bucks off a bike cause the Saddle was not his choosing.

Am I wrong or he is wrong?

Needless to say the deal is off, rather not deal with a jerk, trying to say it take at least 100 bucks to buy a nice saddle. Let me tell you people who buy low priced bikes on CL do not spend 100 bucks or more on saddles. Probably 35-40 MAX and that is a big stretch, probably 20 bucks.

My opinion, if you wanted to keep the saddle, you should have removed it and replaced it with something else before putting it up for sale. He's probably thinking unkind thoughts about you right now, too.

Hey, when you sell on Craigslist, you will meet all types of people. Most are nice and honorable, but some....well it's nice to see them drive away.

I don't think I've ever discussed the saddle on a used bike that I was buying, although most bikes I purchase do require some tuning.

My Bike Friday needed disassembling for packing, and so I asked the seller if he wanted to keep the plastic pedals (and I still paid the asking price).

I agree, fix up the bike like you want to sell it and post photos of the bike as it is for sale. No dickering about the saddle.

Did he actually pay for it a week ago? And after riding it for a week, ask for a lower price? And you apparently acquired replacement parts for him? Something is a bit off with that.

Anyway, just clean it up and move on.

The sale was off when the " at least 100 bucks to buy a nice saddle " was said. I don't like BS like that. Trying to knock my price down a lot cause it takes a ton of money to buy a nice saddle of his choosing.
I knew I was dealing with a flake.

His request was this before that comment. I want OEM saddle back on bike. And now it goes from 20 dollar OEM saddle to it takes me100 to buy a nice saddle! How does that work in less than one minute.

As you posted your account, the price was agreed upon and then you offered to the $25 off the price to keep the saddle. If that's the case you reopened negotiations and opened yourself up to what happened.

I think you did the right thng in voiding the sale. I put a set of rims for sale on the ( 2500 hd chevrolet). I did not have a single person that called or contacted me and even wanted to look at them before asking "what is the least you will take for them?" they are still in the garage..

I would have removed the seat or stated in ad the seat was not included. CL used to be an honroable place to do business, but now is haunt for bottom dwellers looking for something for nothing.

methinks this all be really funny

Lesson: Never show or list items not for sale under the Craigslist "for sale" section. It confuses the transaction. OP should have replaced the saddle prior to listing, photographed and listed it in "to be sold" condition, and negotiated price accordingly.

Everything else becomes a goat rope.

All this. You could have removed/replaced the saddle to begin with, or in the description explicitly state that bike does not come with saddle or will come with cheap replacement saddle.

I sold a motorcycle on CL. Pix showed it with some semi-rigid saddlebags. After negotiations, I asked if buyer was attached to the saddlebags or if I could keep them. He said he wanted them, so I let them go with the bike rather than botch the deal or re-open negotiations.

So his playing games of OEM saddle request ( which people are giving it away on EBAY) and than jumping to I need a 100 dollar saddle is not some kind of dirty move?
I bailed after hearing that.

The bike is no longer for sale, its my going to bad areas, traveling with bike. Its at the shop getting a handlebar upgrade.

Yep.

CL transactions should be as such...

Sellee looks at thing being sold.
Optional price negotiation
Seller and Sellee exchange cash and item
Seller and Sellee never see or speak to each other again

He took mad advantage of a situation you mismanaged. Since the bike was not actually sold, no harm, no foul. You got a free lesson about selling things on CL. All in all, you are one-up compared to where you were at before all this.

Yep.

It's not a matter of right or wrong, it's about how badly do you want to sell the bike?

I personally agree with Blazing Pedals. If you wanted to keep the saddle, you should have taken it off of the bike before you listed it. Unfortunately, that options off the table now

Yep.

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I suppose the moral is don't give the buyer the opportunity to dicker with you. Sell it as-is.

^This. You were asking for problems imo, OP. Should've just yanked the saddle and replaced it with something else before placing the ad. There are a lot of kooks on CL, and many will try to take advantage of anyone they can. Personally I would've just told him to GTFO.

Bingo. When it comes to bicycle stuff, I am kind of a packrat, thus always have a couple of cheap saddles laying around for just such an occasion, but in your case, you should have bought a cheap saddle from Ebay, Amazon, Wal Mart, or a LBS and put it on the bike so the customer can test ride it and not get into a negotiation of how much to knock off the price of the bike if you keep the saddle. It is kind of silly, as the customer could just as easily buy a $20 saddle, but somehow, selling a bike without a saddle seems to create too much room for negotiation.

What was your intended outcome? How did you prepare and execute your plan? What could you do to better reach your goal next time? These answers, repeated throughout a lifetime's pursuit, create an expert. If consciously followed only a few times, they produce learning. Your choice...

Yeah, the non-buyer will probably be waiting in the bad area; clunk you over the head, and take the bike!