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Old 11-10-16, 03:09 PM
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Which specs look better?

Hello,

I am interested in one of these two bikes as my first bike. They aren't very well known models. Purely on a hardware level, which looks better? Thank you

2015 Devinci Tosca s

FRAME ALUMINUM OPTIMUM R03
FORK DEVINCI CARBON
HEADSET FSA NO23/CC INTEGRATED
FRONT RIM JALCO ATB220
FRONT HUB FORMULA ROAD
REAR RIM JALCO ATB220
REAR HUB FORMULA ROAD
SPOKES STAINLESS 14G W/NYLOK
TIRES SCHWALBE RAPID ROB KEVLARGUARD 700X35C
REAR WHEEL JALCO ATB220 / FORMULA / STAINLESS W/NYLOK
FRONT BRAKE TEKTRO ORYX 992A
REAR BRAKE TEKTRO ORYX 992A
REAR DERAILLEUR SHIMANO SORA 3500
FRONT DERAILLEUR SHIMANO SORA 3503
FRONT SHIFTER SHIMANO SORA 3503
REAR SHIFTER SHIMANO SORA 3500
CRANKSET FSA VERO POWERDRIVE 50/39/30T
BOTTOM BRACKET FSA POWERDRIVE
CASSETTE SHIMANO 9S 11-30T
CHAIN SHIMANO 9S
HANDLEBAR V2 COMP, ROAD ALLOY 31.8MM
STEM V2 COMP 31.8MM
SADDLE V2 SELECT
SEATPOST V2 COMP 31.6MM
SEAT CLAMP ALLOY 34.9MM
HANDLEBAR TAPE SUPER SOFT
WEIGHT 10.64 KG / 23.41 LBS

2016 More Andiamo

Frame MIELE 6061 Alloy Touring/ Commuter
Fork cr-Mo
Head Set steel threadless
Stem promax DA-42
Handlebar promax hb-3038
Brakes promax Alloy cb-106
Brake Levers with shifters
Shifters shimano st-2300
Gearing (FR) shimano fd-2300
Gearing (RR) shimano alivio
Cranks & Chainrings prowheel alloy solid sq-530
Bottom Bracket vp bc-73
Pedals vp-189
Hubs (FR) 24 h alloy with quick release
Hubs (RR) alloy 24
Cog-Set shimano 11-32
Chain kmc z-8
Spokes stainless steel
Rims alex dc-19 double wall
Tires (RR/FR) cst CRUCIBLE 70X32 KEVLAR CASING AND REFLECTIVE STRIP
Seat Post promax sp-232
Saddle velo vl 2073
Speeds 24
Rear derailleur Shimano RD-M4300-S
Extra MIele kickstand ready drop-out
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Old 11-10-16, 03:13 PM
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Which one rode best when you took a test ride? Which one fit you best?
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Pretty much every component on the Devinci is at least a notch or two higher than on the other bike. It's not that close a comparison.

And the names are better-known than you might think. Maybe not by the general public, but among cyclists. Devinci makes some nice bikes. Miele used to be a well-regarded independent Canadian builder in the 1980s and '90s. They sold their own bikes and they built Peugeots for the Canadian market. The Miele name is now owned by Procycle, who also owns the Rocky Mountain brand.
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Old 11-10-16, 03:54 PM
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Cannot see Either one.
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Old 11-10-16, 04:01 PM
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Thank you so much.

No I didn't test drive it yet. First, I'm trying to find a few models that meet what I'm looking for. First bike, under 1000, mostly road, some trail path. Cyclocross and hybrid fit the bill. I plan on trying them first of course. Most lbs do custom fitting with new bikes.

I didn't mean obscure like a private builder that only locals would know. I mean Google searches gave me very little. No youtube videos at all on either bike. That's super rare. I was also interested in the Trek FX 7.2 and immediately found dozens of video reviews on YouTube.

I should also mention that the Devinci is a year older. That also influenced the price. I haven't actually looked into what they changed for the 2016 model. Often, it is just a new color.
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The one with 105!
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I don't see 105.
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Old 11-10-16, 05:41 PM
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I would probably go with the Devinci assuming it's new, if not look close at the carbon fork for damage.
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I don't see 105.

That was the point but sorry. Not to be a smartie, but I just searched the bikes you posted and see the price is about half of what I was thinking that would put you out of range as far as a 105 bike.

I know some people think it is outrageous but my bud got a Specialized bike on sale for $1500. Again crazy but when you start riding, it is well worth it.

If you ever get the chance, I believe it is worth it to upgrade a little bit to one of the better packages.

I know, I would if I could! Crazy bike prices these days!
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Old 11-10-16, 06:16 PM
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I believe it is called NOS. New old stock. Of course I will check for damage. My question is why they haven't sold it in 2 years.

Aa for my price range. I have a 2 week old son. So money is limited. I don't want a piece of garbage. I want to spend the least amount for a good quality bike. I figure that's in the 700-1000 range. In addition to limited funds, I also have even less time. I don't want to spend a fortune on a bike I use for a few hours a week and barely get to go on trails. When he is older and I have more time, I plan on upgrading to carbon fiber.
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I believe it is called NOS. New old stock. Of course I will check for damage. My question is why they haven't sold it in 2 years.

Aa for my price range. I have a 2 week old son. So money is limited. I don't want a piece of garbage. I want to spend the least amount for a good quality bike. I figure that's in the 700-1000 range. In addition to limited funds, I also have even less time. I don't want to spend a fortune on a bike I use for a few hours a week and barely get to go on trails. When he is older and I have more time, I plan on upgrading to carbon fiber.
I am a bike enthusiast and try to keep up with both larger and smaller brands and I have never heard of either of these brands. Are you outside of the US?
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Old 11-10-16, 06:38 PM
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The 2015 Devinci Tosca shows up at a Canadian online dealer for $735 which is a bit more reasonable for a bike with entry level components ***Liquidation - 2015 Devinci Tosca S (NOW $265 OFF) | BicyclesMcW. We older cyclists are sometimes amazed at the prices charged for a bike with entry level components. The other one uses Shimano Tourney drive components which is near the bottom.

Your stated use is road and trail paths (paved?). Why not just buy a road bike? When I ride the roads in my area almost all of the group riders are on road bikes. Makes sense to me as that is what they were designed for and you certainly can ride a road bike on decent paths. I did for years on a pretty high end one.
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A bike can sit in a shop for a couple years because it is a size no one likes, or because it didn't stack up with other bikes the shop offered for people who were shopping ... maybe most shoppers prefered to pay a little more and get a different bike, or less ...

Then after it was a year old, people looked at the new bikes first---"I want the latest" syndrome.

Plenty of great bikes sitting around in bike shops selling at discount prices but people wonder just what you did .. . "Why didn't it sell." And that's why.

A lot of riders watch every day for stuff like that---good machines which got overlooked, which can be had for a great price just because they aren't "the latest."
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Old 11-10-16, 07:10 PM
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I am in Montreal, Québec, Canada. Devinci is a local brand.

I was considering a road bike. I just feel like these cyclocross and hybrids can take more of a beating. I feel like they are less fragile.

Mcw bikes is actually the store I'm looking at. 700 Canadian is about 520 usd. Do you think that's too expensive considering the hardware?
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I am in Montreal, Québec, Canada. Devinci is a local brand.

I was considering a road bike. I just feel like these cyclocross and hybrids can take more of a beating. I feel like they are less fragile.

Mcw bikes is actually the store I'm looking at. 700 Canadian is about 520 usd. Do you think that's too expensive considering the hardware?
Not knowing the market up there, I'd say it's not out of line.
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The first one is obviously better in every way. Sora shifters will be MUCH easier to work with than 2300. You would get tired of the thumb buttons on the 2300 pretty quick. Sora is not junk. It functions well.
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Go for it if they have one in your size. It has components comparable to what you would get for many bikes in this price range. The 10.64 kg weight is way less than most cheap low end bikes. If you like it, buy it. Winter is on its way so you might be able to get in some riding before it gets truly dreadful in the north.

BTW, road bikes are hardly fragile if you treat them right. I owned a really good, lightweight, early 1970s Motobecane Le Champion for decades and never even trued a wheel on the bike over many thousands of miles. Of course I didn't ride it off curbs .
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Here's the deal about component specs:

I used to know how many component groups Shimano made. I can't keep up with them anymore. How thin can you slice the baloney?

Back when I knew how many there were, I couldn't sense any difference - none at all, if I moved up or down one component group. The high end stuff was obviously "more crisply" operating than the least costly offerings, but THEY ALL DID THE JOB.

I've never used Dura Ace stuff because the prices have always exceeded my gag point. Today I use middle range stuff on my personal bikes but my definition of middle range keeps skewing toward the lower end. A few years ago I was pricing out some part and the Ultegra price was double 105. Dura Ace cost was double Ultegra.
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I don't see 105.
Probably offered above what you are willing to spend.. Lots of the parts pick list is about Cost Cutting, to keep retail down to your budget.
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If you have a Dicks Sporting Goods store near you you may want to look at the Diamondback Century 1 Complete, it comes with Shimano 105 for about the same money as those other two bikes. The quality of the frames would be darn close to the same.
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That was the point but sorry. Not to be a smartie, but I just searched the bikes you posted and see the price is about half of what I was thinking that would put you out of range as far as a 105 bike.

I know some people think it is outrageous but my bud got a Specialized bike on sale for $1500. Again crazy but when you start riding, it is well worth it.

If you ever get the chance, I believe it is worth it to upgrade a little bit to one of the better packages.

I know, I would if I could! Crazy bike prices these days!
I disagree, as a beginning rider you won't really notice the difference all too much. Sora is completely acceptable at the beginning. let him get a taste for the cycling world and see how he likes it. We all know our first bike is just the start and we'll end up with something much better later so why spend a boatload the first time?
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The bike I use to ride gravel trails has a Sora drivetrain. It doesn't have the same tactile elegance of the Campagnolo gear on my road bike, but it's perfectly decent gear. I have no problem recommending a Sora-equipped bike to a beginning or recreational rider. In fact, I think it's a pretty good entry point to the sport -- decent gear without a high-end price tag.
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I disagree, as a beginning rider you won't really notice the difference all too much. Sora is completely acceptable at the beginning. let him get a taste for the cycling world and see how he likes it. We all know our first bike is just the start and we'll end up with something much better later so why spend a boatload the first time?
That's exactly what the guy in the store said. As a beginner, I won't feel the difference between a $1000 bike and a $5000 bike. As a new dad, I have limited time and money. Spending a lot is not what I'm looking for. But I don't want garbage that I will hate either.
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That's exactly what the guy in the store said. As a beginner, I won't feel the difference between a $1000 bike and a $5000 bike. As a new dad, I have limited time and money. Spending a lot is not what I'm looking for. But I don't want garbage that I will hate either.
Sora will do you just fine, ive ridden Red, ultegra, and claris. After they are in tune and set up correctly you won't notice a real difference.

I dropped down from ultegra to claris and once i had my LBS get it dialed in i don't miss my old groupset. But I'm still new so i can't tell the finer details of why x cost $900 more than Y. I just want to ride...

I will say that you should get a new set of wheels ASAP, those made a huge difference for me.
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