There is a carbon bianchi frame that is complete minus group set and wheels available to me. Forgetting n+1 right now is there anything that makes these bikes more special than a carbon build from another brand? They kind of remind me of Alfa Romeo, you aren't an enthusiastic until you've owned one.

You're not an enthusiast if you've owned an Alfa either.
If you want a Bianchi, buy one (and yes, I know brand can be important), just don't go imagining it's any better than anything else you can get for the same price.

If it's in celeste, at least it'll look better. If it's not celeste... well, it's like a grey Ferrari: still nice I suppose, but just not /as nice/ as a red one.

I do hear nice things about the new Bianchi "CounterVail" (CV) frames, which make them more special than others. Exactly what model Bianchi are you looking at?

I'm not sure. I'm not familiar enough with the brand to ID it. I'm going back this afternoon to take a better look at it.

As the owner of three quite different Bianchi models, I doubt you'll go far wrong no matter what it is, depending on condition. As long as the price is right, of course.

Raoul Luescher is a materials engineer who cuts apart carbon frames and critiques their quality. He had some very negative comments about what he saw inside the Bianchi he cut up.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY9...4lLOHpb_zbIedQ

I own a highly modified steel fixed gear Bianchi and love it.

It's 350 and just needs group/wheelset. Everything else is there. Price is right just know nothing about brand/quality.

Bianchi has a long and storied history. As someone who's first bike was a Bianchi and two out of three of my bikes are Bianchi's I'd have to say unless it's one of the top two or three in the line up your banking more on the long and storied history more than anything else.

Alfa Romeo , part of the Fiat group, bought a big share block of Chrysler, Dodge, & Stock, to bail them out.
that's why you see the cars advertised in the USA..


Bianchi USA has been sourcing bikes under contract with big Asian OEM factories for Decades,

so odds are its only the legacy name you are getting..


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From its U.S. web site:

Bianchi Today


Since May 1997 F.I.V. Edoardo Bianchi is part of Cycleurope A.B. group, the Swedish company of the Grimaldi group, known as the worldwide most important holding in the cycling sector.
The brands of the Bianchi group (Bianchi, Legnano, Puch and Chiorda) have met those of Cycleurope (Monark, Crescent, DBS, Kildemoes, Everton, Micmo, Gitane) to constitute a unique network in the two-wheel market.
Today Cycleurope can implement the most advanced operative synergies involving prestigious European companies, amongst which Bianchi represents the flagship brand.The strategic investments of the group aim at two outstanding targets: the development of a highly-advanced product and the establishment of Bianchi brand on international markets.




In 1995 I watched a Giro stage finish outside its Treviglio factory.

I bought a 2011 Bianchi Sempre in June from the original owner after I decided to ramp up my bike game (I'd been casually riding a 1984 Trek 420 for 6 years). My brother, an avid cyclist (he rides a Felt F2), found it, checked it out and recommended it to me. I've put over 1,000 miles on it since July 1 and love it. I'm 6'-2", 250 (was 262 when on July 1) and it's been a great bike for me so far. Granted, I don't have anything comparable to compare it to, but I haven't seen another bike in our group that I would rather ride.


Good luck,


Gary

The frame in question is a reparto corse

'Reparto Corse' isn't a model. It's Italian for 'racing department' and used to refer to Bianchi's Italian facilities where their higher end racing frames were hand-built. That was another era, though. For a number of years now, the 'reparto corse' label has been applied to a bunch of racing-style Bianchi models regardless of where they're built or whether they're higher end models.

I'm sorry. I left off the 928. Looks to be 2003-2005 vintage.

I wouldn't based on this cut up 2008.

Dear baby Jesus that was awful. Oh well. *looks for other bucket list bike *

If I were told to close my eyes and imagine horrible workmanship, I wouldn't have imagined anything that bad. That's like kindergarten level paper mache, by the least artistic kid in class, blindfolded, made from used band-aids. Holy crap.

But the voids made it lighter!

I own an xr1 and will never buy another carbon fiber anything of bianchi.As far as I am concerned I was robbed period.I flip my bike over so I can take off the wheel set for an upgrade to campagnolo and am met by the sight of a sticker that said "Made in Taiwan".Needless to say that wheelset from campy went back.If you want carbon fiber buy from Taiwan direct.

Why do you feel robbed? It's not a secret that Bianchi carbon fiber frames are sourced from Taiwan. Frames for most brands, regardless of where they were originally from, are sourced from Asian contract manufacturers. The name on the downtube might say Bianchi, Trek, Specialized, Wilier, Orbea, Cervelo, Cannondale, or whatever, but chances are the frame was made by another company like Giant, Merida, Kinesis, AIT, Axman, Ten Tech, etc.

It's not something particular to bikes, either. When it comes to manufacturing, it's truly a global economy nowadays. My household has two "American" cars in the driveway: a Ford and a Chevy. One was designed in Germany and assembled in Mexico. The other was assembled in the USA, but designed in South Korea by an Australian citizen born in Czechoslovakia.

So buy a Giant, perhaps? They build all of their own frames in their own Taiwanese and Chinese factories.

Or if the sentiment is simply to buy a bike that was actually made by the company whose name is on the downtube in the country that name has historically been associated with, there are still a few options out there. Many of them are boutique producers (who charge boutique prices).

I had a 2008 928 T-Cube in celeste. God, I loved that bike.

You bring up good points with Chevy and ford.All of the auto industry as a whole is basically that way.
I was really taken aback with my discovery.That was such an eye opener.I really did feel robbed at that moment.
I got caught up in the sales hype with their explaination how they build their frames.

I also see a video of a guy who goes around to all these famous makers for certain bike parts to build his ultimate bike.
He goes all over the world to have his frame custom built,wheelset built and so on.He gets to Bianchi and they will not let him in to take a tour like all the other places did.They used a lame excuse that they couldn’t chance their secrets getting out how they build things.Im seriously thinking of selling all my bianchis.

The problem here is that unless you cut your frame in half, as he did, you wouldn't know what's inside your frame, regardless of the material it's made of. Even buying a new steel bike doesn't guarantee that the inside of the tubing hasn't already started to corrode in certain places. It could also be the worker that built the frame that didn't take the time to do it correctly, whereas other workers would do a better job. Personally, I think that the quality control of the factory they contracted with was not up to par or this would certainly not have happened. Let's hope Bianchi is using a different company to build their frames.