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I quit buying from Amazon a couple of years ago when I found out that a lot of stuff can be bought on eBay for far less. eBay makes it very easy to compare sellers by using the "lowest price + shipping" option. It makes comparison simple and fast.
If you think the USPS doesn't charge Amazon enough you should look at what China does. I just looked up genuine KMC 9 speed master links for someone else. The least expensive US seller for the master link was just under $4 while the Chinese seller had them for $.75 with both offering free shipping. How can you ship it halfway around the world for less that what it costs to mail a 2 ounce letter in the US and still use USPS for the domestic delivery!
If you think the USPS doesn't charge Amazon enough you should look at what China does. I just looked up genuine KMC 9 speed master links for someone else. The least expensive US seller for the master link was just under $4 while the Chinese seller had them for $.75 with both offering free shipping. How can you ship it halfway around the world for less that what it costs to mail a 2 ounce letter in the US and still use USPS for the domestic delivery!
ePacket shipping. Congress a decade ago, by law, made it dirt cheap to ship from China.
BTW...I strongly doubt those KMC links you cite are actually legit. Fake KMC links are on Amazon as well, ofc.
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There is a long thread about this (and bikes).
Augmenting Amazon Delivery with Bikes?
They are CHARGING the fee. And, apparently isn't really for startup companies, but rather already established companies.
And, it is ambiguous who is supposed to be buying the 40 or so $30K delivery vans, but the applicant could be on the hook for buying $1.2 Million worth of new vehicles.
Still, Amazon is expanding in all directions.
Augmenting Amazon Delivery with Bikes?
They are CHARGING the fee. And, apparently isn't really for startup companies, but rather already established companies.
And, it is ambiguous who is supposed to be buying the 40 or so $30K delivery vans, but the applicant could be on the hook for buying $1.2 Million worth of new vehicles.
Still, Amazon is expanding in all directions.
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I have bought a few things from Amazon that weren't quite perfect when received. After I contacted them to replace them I was told to go ahead and keep said item. They said it wasn't worth the time and cost to have me send it back. I use Amazon a lot for home and work. There has only been a couple of times where the free 2 day shipping went to 3. Not a big deal and not often enough to cause me to go to walmart.
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Living in Hawaii, shipping is a big deal. Many online vendors make no effort to establish reasonable shipping terms and often you have to go all the way through the checkout process to find out the actual shipping cost. This is where the UK sellers shine as Hawaii might as well be NYC for them as far as shipping goes. Ebay OTOH, has many sellers who won't even ship to Hawaii. Amazon started using some service named "Parcel Pack" or something like that which seemed to move goods from Amazon warehouse to Oakland, then transferred to USPS I guess. Stuff was coming in a week after promised delivery and I complained. They claim they put me on a list that would not use that "Parcel Pack" any more.
But Amazon is looking to get a $10 billion contract with US DoD for cloud services on AWS, so maybe the retail sales/shipping biz isn't that important to them anymore.
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But Amazon is looking to get a $10 billion contract with US DoD for cloud services on AWS, so maybe the retail sales/shipping biz isn't that important to them anymore.
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Both Amazon and Walmart have been able to shift their cost of doing business elsewhere, usually local and city governments. They have been able to extract significant infrastructure support by having the locals pay for it, in the hopes that the taxes on job income will be greater than the infrastructure cost (although, absurdly, Chicago offered no income taxes collection on Amazon's distribution center).
This is false economy; Amazon and Walmart are essentially warehouses for Chinese-made goods, depending on a transportation system that is already in place for a century or more. Most of Amazon's workers are dependant on food stamps while most of Walmart's workers do not have health insurance (the health premiums exceed the median wages--in other words you'd be paying Walmart to work for them!).
This is false economy; Amazon and Walmart are essentially warehouses for Chinese-made goods, depending on a transportation system that is already in place for a century or more. Most of Amazon's workers are dependant on food stamps while most of Walmart's workers do not have health insurance (the health premiums exceed the median wages--in other words you'd be paying Walmart to work for them!).
My gut feeling is really bad times are coming, with the majority of the US population being turned into Helots...
For much of the 20th century the drive away from this neo-feudalism was fueled by socially conscious legislation and by world wars that diverted at least some profitability toward average Americans, enabling more people to leverage themselves out of serfdom.
But those days are gone. It's full steam back toward the original intent of the founders. I suspect they recognized that feudalism is the equilibrium point of all civilizations and a tremendous concerted effort is needed to swing the pendulum away from that resting point.
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I used to use Amazon for product reviews before buying the items elsewhere and then gradually started buying from Amazon after I got an Amazon gift card. But their shipping problems have eliminated a lot of the ease, and with their corporate policies resembling Wally word I don't plan on shopping there for a while .
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Amazon is not the usual deal it once was, for certain. It used to be quick and cheap, and nowadays it may be but also may not.
A big part of this is when they began to allow third-party sales listings. If you want something fast now, you must limit yourself to "fulfilled by Amazon" items. Many sellers are in China now and they may not specify exactly what shipping method they use--and the cheaper ones can take 8 weeks to the US. Amazon conceals this to prevent merchant/location discrimination on the part of customers. Even if you pay for fast shipping some US-based sellers may still take several days just to ship the order, which kinda means you wasted your money on the faster shipping. I still buy from Amazon, and I still buy from China-direct sites--but I know the shipping terms in advance.
Also in some places Amazon has begun to hire people to deliver their own packages, and the early word on this is that the service is terrible--but the good news is that eventually this problem will remedy itself, since Amazon is paying people such small amounts to do this that eventually the idea is going to crash on its own.
Also,,,, many bigger online stores don't use fixed prices anymore. They use Google Adsense data to tell if you have been shopping around online for something, they monitor what prices other sites are offering and they factor that into the price that they offer you. If you re-visit a product page several times over several days, you may get several different prices. I don't know the software they use for this, and the psychology of it is odd--sometimes on your second visit to a product page, the price may go up a bit or it may be a bit lower?--but they do it.
A big part of this is when they began to allow third-party sales listings. If you want something fast now, you must limit yourself to "fulfilled by Amazon" items. Many sellers are in China now and they may not specify exactly what shipping method they use--and the cheaper ones can take 8 weeks to the US. Amazon conceals this to prevent merchant/location discrimination on the part of customers. Even if you pay for fast shipping some US-based sellers may still take several days just to ship the order, which kinda means you wasted your money on the faster shipping. I still buy from Amazon, and I still buy from China-direct sites--but I know the shipping terms in advance.
Also in some places Amazon has begun to hire people to deliver their own packages, and the early word on this is that the service is terrible--but the good news is that eventually this problem will remedy itself, since Amazon is paying people such small amounts to do this that eventually the idea is going to crash on its own.
Also,,,, many bigger online stores don't use fixed prices anymore. They use Google Adsense data to tell if you have been shopping around online for something, they monitor what prices other sites are offering and they factor that into the price that they offer you. If you re-visit a product page several times over several days, you may get several different prices. I don't know the software they use for this, and the psychology of it is odd--sometimes on your second visit to a product page, the price may go up a bit or it may be a bit lower?--but they do it.
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The real burden on the USPS is junk mail. It's long past time to reform rules offering steep discounts to junk mailers. Ask letter carriers themselves. It's the single biggest waste of time they encounter. Hardly anyone even looks at junk mail anymore. Finally, just fairly recently, carriers were relieved of the responsibility to hand deliver each bit of junk mail to recipient boxes. Now they just drop off the carton full of junk mail flyers and inserts, which almost nobody looks at, and once a week they cart 'em out to the dumpster and start over.
https://www.usps.com/business/advertise-with-mail.htm
How else can they afford to ship a single letter to anywhere in the country for only 50 cents?
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Ask letter carriers whether junk mail was a burden. Until the rule change that allowed them to not hand sort junk mail into individual letter boxes at apt complexes, etc., the biggest burden I heard letter carriers complain about was junk mail. It hindered them from doing what recipients actually wanted -- reliable delivery of packages and mail they actually needed and wanted.
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I think Amazon will do just fine if they fail to capture the niche market of cycling. There are plenty of others they basically choose to ignore (look up Zappos).
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I tried to buy a stem on Amazon recently because I stripped the threads on mine. Found a kind of interesting knock off and figured I'd try it for 14$ shipped Prime. It got sent to the wrong shipping center, and then it showed up as damaged or lost in transit!!
I've always hated Amazon, there's just so much convoluted and wrong about the way their site works, and now they're becoming a global tech superpower like google... no thanks.
I've always hated Amazon, there's just so much convoluted and wrong about the way their site works, and now they're becoming a global tech superpower like google... no thanks.
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I haven't noticed any particular trend in Amazon pricing. It's the same PITA it's always been. The site is not efficiently designed to help customers quickly find the lowest prices.
Sometimes the lowest price shows up via an Amazon search. Sometimes via a Google search specifying Amazon as the only domain.
It can be frustrating if you're wanting quick delivery and the lowest price.
Usually when I'm interested in an item I'll put it in the cart, then bump it from the cart to the holding bin just below the cart. Then I'll get notifications of price changes. When the price reaches a point I consider reasonable I'll finalize the purchase. There's some speculation that putting an item in the cart triggers an algorithm that causes price fluctuations to provoke customers into buying. No way of knowing for certain because Amazon keeps that info to itself.
Sometimes the lowest price shows up via an Amazon search. Sometimes via a Google search specifying Amazon as the only domain.
It can be frustrating if you're wanting quick delivery and the lowest price.
Usually when I'm interested in an item I'll put it in the cart, then bump it from the cart to the holding bin just below the cart. Then I'll get notifications of price changes. When the price reaches a point I consider reasonable I'll finalize the purchase. There's some speculation that putting an item in the cart triggers an algorithm that causes price fluctuations to provoke customers into buying. No way of knowing for certain because Amazon keeps that info to itself.
The main reason I'm still a Prime subscriber is for the other media services. I don't have any other TV/movie subscriptions, cable or satellite. Amazon is convenient and overall I at least break even every year.
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I am kind of surprised "nobody" brought up the "holding Seattle hostage" thing over their homeless at all if you really want to get technical. Not that it has anything major to do with their prices, but rather interesting what folks deem as "important" or not when it comes to such a big business. It is one of the main reasons why I am more conscious about Amazon and would rather give my business to someone else now if given the chance. But that is a completely different story I guess
And I really wish they would do away with their "prime membership" prices so more people from financially challenged or poverty stricken areas (which includes many disabled and senior folks) can take advantages of the same opportunities as everyone else gets to have with 2 day shipping and more competitive options for these folks as well.
And I really wish they would do away with their "prime membership" prices so more people from financially challenged or poverty stricken areas (which includes many disabled and senior folks) can take advantages of the same opportunities as everyone else gets to have with 2 day shipping and more competitive options for these folks as well.
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Is Amazon cheapest? Not always for sure. That's why it is called shopping. Pime does have it's advantages for us. We live in an RV and travel all over. If we stop anywhere for three days we can get deliveries. And if Amazon shipment is late - they pick up package and handle return shipping at no cost. Prime movies perk helps cover part of the annual fee.
I have bought a few things from Amazon that weren't quite perfect when received. After I contacted them to replace them I was told to go ahead and keep said item. They said it wasn't worth the time and cost to have me send it back. I use Amazon a lot for home and work. There has only been a couple of times where the free 2 day shipping went to 3. Not a big deal and not often enough to cause me to go to walmart.
I tried to buy a stem on Amazon recently because I stripped the threads on mine. Found a kind of interesting knock off and figured I'd try it for 14$ shipped Prime. It got sent to the wrong shipping center, and then it showed up as damaged or lost in transit!!
I've always hated Amazon, there's just so much convoluted and wrong about the way their site works, and now they're becoming a global tech superpower like google... no thanks.
I've always hated Amazon, there's just so much convoluted and wrong about the way their site works, and now they're becoming a global tech superpower like google... no thanks.
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My house buys way too much from Amazon, myself included. I use the camelcamelcamel plugin to see trends and track prices and get an idea of the "deal level". Sometimes Walmart has lower prices, sometimes Amazon does. Tape, glue, paper, pencils, paint, chemicals, cleaning products, and food (basic common staples) are almost always cheaper at Walmart (except motor oil where they match each other).
Amazon shipping times in my area have been the same for years. No better or worse and over 95% when promised. That is based on roughly 100 orders a year.
Amazon shipping times in my area have been the same for years. No better or worse and over 95% when promised. That is based on roughly 100 orders a year.
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I live within 5 miles of half a dozen Amazon fulfillment warehouses. Many items I order are eligible for free same day shipping. I routinely and soundly beat the prices of eBay sellers by shopping around the marketplace sellers on Amazon. The website is I think deliberately difficult to navigate-- why would they want you to immediately find the lowest prices? Retail stores intentionally lay out their floorplans to funnel shoppers into impulse buying.
Besides, I'm not going to order from a UK seller to save $2 and add a week's wait, or order from China/Taiwan to save $5 and wait a month. I'll pay the little extra to have it within 48 hours.
Besides, I'm not going to order from a UK seller to save $2 and add a week's wait, or order from China/Taiwan to save $5 and wait a month. I'll pay the little extra to have it within 48 hours.
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I agree. Technology wise, they are amazing, and I agree, second to none.
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If it wasn't for direct mail marketing they'd not have a job to complain about! Direct mail is an important part of our economy because it works. Think about it. Why would companies spend money on a mailing campaign if it didn't pay off?
The trend nowadays is well targeted and personalized mail pieces. Better to send out less "junk" and get a better response and return on your dollar... The postage is always the largest cost of any mailing campaign.
The trend nowadays is well targeted and personalized mail pieces. Better to send out less "junk" and get a better response and return on your dollar... The postage is always the largest cost of any mailing campaign.
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I like Amazon. I use their Alexa, books, apps, movies, music..... and I buy bicycle stuff too. Much of what I get from Amazon is a good value... but most things are just stuff I don't want to "hunt down" in the (other) big box stores.
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Have they not? Just thinking about what things were like "five" years ago, never mind 15-20. Can't see how Amazon has "not" truly captured this market as well already.
Honestly, I think that is one of the biggest things Amazon has done for the bicycle market...I absolutely LOATHE going in and dealing with bike shops or mechanics in any capacity at all. Once Amazon made it more conventional to get products outside of bicycle shops at a much lower cost, it did a multitude of things for me. It forced me to learn how to do things myself. It severely accelerated my learning curve and skill set just simply based on availability. With things like Youtube, it is making the old guardians of the secret knowledge of bicycle mechanics and maintenance obsolete and empowering everyone in the process. That's a HUGE win win for everyone in the long run! No more dishonest middle men that I have to deal with that severely hamper my educational and skill set opportunities for their own personal gain anymore. Personally, that is one of the biggest and best benefits of Amazon and things of the like that I see now that I am reflecting on it and thinking about all this more. And indirectly, it help spur up forums like this and people speaking about these products much more in depth than we ever had access to. I had not realized all this till just now. Pretty cool!
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Have they not? Just thinking about what things were like "five" years ago, never mind 15-20. Can't see how Amazon has not captured this market as well already.
Honestly, I think that is one of the biggest things Amazon has done for the bicycle market...I absolutely LOATHE going in and dealing with bike shops or mechanics in any capacity at all. Once Amazon made it more convenient to get products outside of bicycle shops at a much lower cost, it did a multitude of things for me. It forced me to learn how to do things myself. It severely accelerated my learning curve and skill set just simply based on availability. With things like YouTube, it is making the old guardians of the secret knowledge of bicycle mechanics and maintenance obsolete and empowering everyone in the process. That's a HUGE win win for everyone in the long run! No more dishonest middle men that I have to deal with that severely hamper my educational and skill set opportunities for their own personal gain anymore. Personally, that is one of the biggest and best benefits of Amazon and things of the like that I see now that I am reflecting on it and thinking about all this more. And indirectly, it help spur up forums like this and people speaking about these products much more in depth than we ever had access to. I had not realized all this till just now. Pretty cool!
The world will be much better when the matrix eventually removes people's personal feelings from all the data available and we can just discern properly from the best available information to us with unbiased opinions and those land minds to walk through constantly.
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One example with the Raleigh Stuntman
https://camelcamelcamel.com/Raleigh-...e=price_amazon
A lot of DB, Raleigh, and Mongoose (not the box store Wal-Mart OE versions, the real reasonble equiped ones from Mongoose.com all follow the same pattern.
Amazon is not the actual seller of a lot of brands so choice is limited.
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I have had Amazon Prime for several years, because of the latest Prime price hike I may have reached the end. Early in August my account is up for renewal. I am finding that I have been buying less on Amazon the last couple of years. A few reasons, they don't have what I am looking for, it isn't "Prime" and therefor not a good value, or the price even with Prime shipping can be beat elsewhere. Their pricing can be beat seems to be the most frequent. I have at times, paid a little more through Amazon if I needed the item in a couple of days, better planning on my part could alleviate some of that.
Initially, the most frequent use of the Prime Membership was by my daughters while attending college, to stream movies, tv shows, etc. in their free time.
Something I like, and would miss the most, is it being able to send things to my daughters whom are both living out of state. Being able to order, pay for, then ship to somewhere other than my residence, without an act of Congress is a valuable benefit.
I've got about 30 days to decide what I am going to do.
Initially, the most frequent use of the Prime Membership was by my daughters while attending college, to stream movies, tv shows, etc. in their free time.
Something I like, and would miss the most, is it being able to send things to my daughters whom are both living out of state. Being able to order, pay for, then ship to somewhere other than my residence, without an act of Congress is a valuable benefit.
I've got about 30 days to decide what I am going to do.
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Their convenience is second to none. If it were brick and mortar it would be the equivalent of a mall, or at least a super store. Yep, delivery/shipping time is item dependent, and a factor of the seller.
They are a superpower, but there site works perfectly. They're number one in that aspect. Rarely, do I need to do more than an few clicks to get to what I need. I recently rented the wrong movie and in a couple clicks it was undone with an email verification.
They are a superpower, but there site works perfectly. They're number one in that aspect. Rarely, do I need to do more than an few clicks to get to what I need. I recently rented the wrong movie and in a couple clicks it was undone with an email verification.
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