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Old 07-08-18, 07:33 AM
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That cassette has got to be a pain in a crosswind.
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Old 07-08-18, 07:42 AM
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Cool. This means 11 and 12 speed will be cheaper soon. Maybe if rotor gets serious, Shimano will stop resting on their laurels and do something cool, too.

I don't expect I'll reach beyond 11 speed in the short term, myself, but I like knowing that someone is pushing things.
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Old 07-08-18, 09:50 AM
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Pootling around town mostly , myself..
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Old 07-08-18, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by hillyman View Post
Pretty dang cool. Bring on the innovation!
Adding one is not innovation. Itís just marketing. Bleah.
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Old 07-08-18, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Abu Mahendra View Post
Bob, aren't you running an even more expensive 1x14 drivetrain?
yea but that 1 cog lasts a very long time,
and is cheaper to replace than a 10-42 12 speed cassette,
that sole source spanish made 13 will be way up there in price.
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Old 07-08-18, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
Also 13 speeds:

https://bikerumor.com/2018/07/08/wil...no-derailleur/

Would love to see a video of it. Looks like a way out of the box concept. Interesting!
Not sure how well just a couple of teeth engaged would handle high power.
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Old 07-08-18, 01:16 PM
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Geez man, now that I'm pushing 60, I'm just starting to realize the benefits of the small ring other than when I need it out of desperation. Now they want to take it away from me.
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Old 07-08-18, 01:17 PM
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The idea of a tighter ratio 1x13 does have some appeal but sadly I don't like the idea of cramming more gears into the same space. I do want a chance to play with the Rotor Uno group though just for pure fun see what the fuss was about.
Yeah, but where does the 13th cog fit in. The widest space in gear ratios is usually is between the 11 and 12 tooth cogs.
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Old 07-08-18, 03:04 PM
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Nothing against innovation, after all my 1x9 was unthinkable at one point, but more of a question: At what point do those giant cogs begin to weigh more than a front derailleur and another chainring?
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Old 07-08-18, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
and is cheaper to replace than a 10-42 12 speed cassette,
You must mean TCO, not replacement. An XG1295 is $385 MSRP.

Find me a new 14-speed Rohloff for even double that. Please. Then show me who will build/rebuild a wheel for it for free.
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Old 07-08-18, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gresp15C View Post
Nothing against innovation, after all my 1x9 was unthinkable at one point, but more of a question: At what point do those giant cogs begin to weigh more than a front derailleur and another chainring?
well I don't know how the 13 speed is made but my 34 tooth cassette is a lot lighter than my 32 tooth was on my 10 speed. Wasn't a solid unit like before. Came held together with a piece of plastic you remove. Pretty neat
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
Yeah, but where does the 13th cog fit in. The widest space in gear ratios is usually is between the 11 and 12 tooth cogs.
I think that is the tough part is spacing because the dropouts have largely stayed the same though maybe a better freehub/driver with a better spaced hub might work out?. But say a cassette like this would be pretty cool: 10-11-12-13-14-16-18-20-22-24-26-28-32 (maybe with some better tweaks because they might be needed for better gearing) I would love something like that on my road bike for sure.
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Old 07-08-18, 11:27 PM
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Oh man! I'm going to have to get one of these. It's a whopping 44.444% better than my 9-speed cassette. I don't know how I'll survive without one.
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Old 07-09-18, 06:40 AM
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Folks don't seem to realize how badly Shimano (and to a lesser degree, SRAM and Campy) have the bike drivetrain market locked down with patents. Anyone who wants to compete has to come up with some wacky new stuff (or feed off old tech like MicroShift is doing).

It really would be difficult for a new player to enter with a 2x11 system without a ground up redesign that, as the cable-pull parallelogram derailleur has been refined for nearly century, wouldn't be as good. We should be glad when any new company is bold enough to bring a new group to market, even if we won't use it ourselves.
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Old 07-09-18, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyG View Post
When a single rear cassette can cover the range needed, we will see a return to multiple chain rings upfront, not to ectend range, but to fill in the ratio gaps, by halfs and thirds as was done after the development of conventional rear deraillers in the past.
I'd actually like more options for bigger gaps. I like what SRAM is doing with 7-speed for downhill bikes. And doesn't someone have a wide-range seven-speed for eBikes?

Most of my shifts when riding our local mountain-bike system are by two or three cogs each time. So on that particular system I could get by easily enough with maybe just four or five gears at most. OTOH, on gravel roads when there is more time between gear changes it is nice to be able to fine tune to match my cadence.
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Why the negative attitude Bob? The people want 13 speeds, and you will not stop us!
No problems just patronize your LBS to keep some of your local economy from collapsing...
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Old 07-09-18, 04:22 PM
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Thinner chains imply two things: they aren't as robust and wear out quicker, and if you break down in the middle of nowhere, the odds of finding this special chain in stock are very thin.
And hey, if you want more gears, guess what... Rohloff has 14... fourteen gears. So if you're just after the number, Rohloff is your best bet. Oh, wait, NuVinci has infinite number gears.
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Old 07-09-18, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
Also 13 speeds:

https://bikerumor.com/2018/07/08/wil...no-derailleur/

Would love to see a video of it. Looks like a way out of the box concept. Interesting!
Just saw this on FB
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Originally Posted by JonathanGennick View Post
Also 13 speeds:

https://bikerumor.com/2018/07/08/wil...no-derailleur/

Would love to see a video of it. Looks like a way out of the box concept. Interesting!
Here you go.

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Old 07-09-18, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
Im on my second NX bike. I could use just a little more range. I donít need more shifts.
For what; light duty towing with that 1x13 setup?
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Old 07-09-18, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Something new never fails to bring men out of their caves touting clubs and animal pelts as having been sufficient to sustain life. How did you guys ever get past single speed and loin cloths?

To speak about adequacy and need is to completely miss the point. Marcus has the right spirit with the CVT comment. I'm looking forward to Di3.

Anyway, gravelcyclist.com will likely review the Rotor parts soon enough.


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I guess. But it looks a tad obsessive and compensating for something. What advantages do these wacky setups give over conventional 21-24 speed bikes? Look att the first gear, I thought the megarange was a huge first gear, I don't know about others but the first three gears are pretty much never used with me, accept the time I was towing my heavy wood display case. That first gear would be handy if mt everest was paved or you come accross a jeep stuck in the mud. Waiting for the rim itself to become a gear/disc brake with some 1x48 setup. These are bikes, not big rigs, I just think hydraulic 32 speed Spicer transmissions are for busses.
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I'm wondering if gear changes can happen only at certain places around the circumference of that shredder disc. That would likely be a deal-breaker (or a gear-breaker). And you still have the problem of getting stuck in a high gear if something happens in front of you and you have to bag the brakes without time to downshift. What if your tire kicks a little pebble into that whirligig? Mud? They'll have to fully enclose it.

Cute, and I do admire the innovation, but somehow I can't help thinking it'll come to a sudden stop somewhere in its development.
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Cute, and I do admire the innovation, but somehow I can't help thinking it'll come to a sudden stop somewhere in its development.
I have that with most bicycle innovations. Love the creativity but they seem to solve a problem that didn't really exist, was already solved or is solved by an idea with much more drawbacks. It's like they think "the bicyle has been there for so long with little change, there must be a way to fundamentally improve it". That's illogical, the bicycle has been there for so long with little change because it was about finished a 100 years ago.

The bicycle chain is pretty efficient and easy to use. It's a nice intellectual exercise to design something better, but the brilliance of the idea doesn't necessarily make it a better drivetrain.
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And the space the cassette use is same as, say 11speed cassette? Narrower cogs mean you have to change all the gear parts to make this work?
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Originally Posted by Stadjer View Post
I have that with most bicycle innovations. Love the creativity but they seem to solve a problem that didn't really exist, was already solved or is solved by an idea with much more drawbacks. It's like they think "the bicyle has been there for so long with little change, there must be a way to fundamentally improve it". That's illogical, the bicycle has been there for so long with little change because it was about finished a 100 years ago.

The bicycle chain is pretty efficient and easy to use. It's a nice intellectual exercise to design something better, but the brilliance of the idea doesn't necessarily make it a better drivetrain.
The drivetrains we know are protected with patents, so someone can't come in and produce their own drivetrain without enough innovation to make it "different". This is a problem created by intellectual property law - they'd not do this if they weren't forced to.
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