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Old 11-11-18 | 06:00 PM
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What's the main reason for the change then ??
check out post #6 and #38
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Old 11-11-18 | 06:25 PM
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You're making this much more complicated than it is. The strap can hold just the tools if it's way too difficult to roll a bad tube up(I wouldn't have to roll up a dead tube though). If you're the type to struggle like that, you can always stuff things into a jersey pocket. Not a big challenge at all.



Nah, saddle bags can flop around. Especially when it gets chunky. As has been mentioned a few times (go back and read the thread), a floppy seat bag isn't the sole reason for the change that I made.
I have a very big saddle bag, and the only time it flaps around is when the bike is on the back of my car, and who cares about that? If I have to put things in my pocket, why do I have this thing under my saddle?
Solution in search of a problem. And you know what? I can carry a lot more stuff than those few items.

Glad you like it, but hard pass for me.

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Old 11-11-18 | 06:37 PM
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I have a very big saddle bag, and the only time it flaps around is when the bike is on the back of my car, and who cares about that? If I have to put things in my pocket, why do I have this thing under my saddle?
Solution in search of a problem. And you know what? I can carry a lot more stuff than those few items.
That’s great that you love your very big saddle bag. That wouldn’t work for me. If it flaps around on the back of your car then something like that would flap around on my rides.

As noted above, you wouldn’t have to put things in your pocket if you could manage the simple task of strapping stuff back under the saddle. It’s not a big deal to do that.

It’s great that you can “carry a lot more stuff than those few items.” I don’t need to carry more tools than that.



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Old 11-11-18 | 07:14 PM
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That’s great that you love your very big saddle bag. That wouldn’t work for me. If it flaps around on the back of your car then something like that would flap around on my rides.

As noted above, you wouldn’t have to put things in your pocket if you could manage the simple task of strapping stuff back under the saddle. It’s not a big deal to do that.

It’s great that you can “carry a lot more stuff than those few items.” I don’t need to carry more tools than that.



I ride about 8 century plus rides a month in the summer. Generally, I never want to have fewer than two spare tubes with me, plus I carry food in the bag. i also may have some layers I can put on if I'm likely to run into weather changes, and I can also carry a lock in it.. The big bag is nice because it can fold down quite small and be expanded as needed. I haven't ever had it get in the way of riding in the 1000 or so miles I've ridden with it on.
And when my bike is on my car, it is very nearly lying on its side. If you lean that far over on your bike while riding, the floppy bag is going to be the least of your problems.
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Old 11-11-18 | 07:23 PM
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I ride about 8 century plus rides a month in the summer. Generally, I never want to have fewer than two spare tubes with me, plus I carry food in the bag. i also may have some layers I can put on if I'm likely to run into weather changes, and I can also carry a lock in it.. The big bag is nice because it can fold down quite small and be expanded as needed. I haven't ever had it get in the way of riding in the 1000 or so miles I've ridden with it on.
We ride different terrain. Your big floppy bag would suck for me. It's not a "phony problem." Hence the strap.

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And when my bike is on my car, it is very nearly lying on its side. If you lean that far over on your bike while riding, the floppy bag is going to be the least of your problems.
It's not about leaning over. I think you lack the proper framework/experience to understand why your floppy seat bag would suck for me.
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Old 11-11-18 | 07:36 PM
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WOW! I can now buy a solution for a problem solved in the 1960's or 1970's. Back then we used to fold up a tubular tire (and later foldable clinchers and tubes) and use an old toeclip strap to lash it between the saddle rails. They even made 6-10 inch bags with a fold over-top and later added a divider to put small tools and tire levers and a patch kit in before you used the old toeclip strap. That kept the tools from abrading the tubes or tires, and also kept road and trail grit, mud and water off.

What am I missing with this. Oh yeah, this is black and synthetic and a few grams lighter - maybe, and not the nasty white of an old Lapize strap. Just to think, I thought the wedge pack was an improvement over the tubular bag setup. I just love marketing (and PT Barnum.)
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Old 11-11-18 | 07:52 PM
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We ride different terrain. Your big floppy bag would suck for me. It's not a "phony problem." Hence the strap.



It's not about leaning over. I think you lack the proper framework/experience to understand why your floppy seat bag would suck for me.
The title of your thread indicates that you are remarking on the "interesting marketing" of this item . That marketing specifically refers to this as an item for road biking. My bag is absolutely not floppy under road conditions. How your strap functions during your sick jumps that you so condescendingly inform me I lack the capacity to understand literally has nothing to do with what you identified as the topic of this thread. I'm all for borrowing applicable mtb innovations to road biking, but this is just a really small container that lacks a skin and I think it is likely useless to most road bicyclists.
​​​​​​Unfortunately, I have hit the occasional large bump on my road bike, I have certainly taken some deeply banked turns, and my bag has never budged under those circumstances. So for me, floppy bags is a phony problem when it comes to road bikes.

I think you lack the proper framework/experience to stick to a topic and not be insulting when people are actually addressing the topic you specified.
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Old 11-11-18 | 08:10 PM
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I guess if all you carry is a multi-tool, CO2 inflator, and tube, and don’t mind them getting wet and dirty, it is an perfectly OK solution.

And I do agree that saddle bags flop around to much when mountain biking. But I take a lot more than the above three items with me on the mtb, so use a pack.

And on my road/gravel bike, the bag bouncing around it not an issue.

Also, even when I have used a small sadle bag with an MTB, it did not interfere with me getting behind the saddle.

But I am a total Fred.
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Old 11-11-18 | 08:18 PM
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The title of your thread indicates that you are remarking on the "interesting marketing" of this item . That marketing specifically refers to this as an item for road biking.

So you assumed that it can only be/would only be used for road biking? That really odd assumption and the resulting confusion on your part is all, and only, on you. BTW, my seat post is marketed specifically for road biking and my saddle is marketed specifically for mountain biking. Oh no!


Also, the "interesting marketing" refers to the derogatory use of "Fred bag" but at this point I'm not surprised that you didn't get that.


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I think you lack the proper framework/experience to stick to a topic and not be insulting when people are actually addressing the topic you specified.

Nah, I've stuck to the topic as you have gone off on various tangents and over-shared about how awesome your great, big floppy bag is while lying on its side on your car when you're not riding a century. Again, I'm happy that you love your great big floppy saddle bag. It sounds like it means a lot to you. It's just not for me. I hope you can finally understand that.
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Old 11-11-18 | 08:21 PM
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I guess if all you carry is a multi-tool, CO2 inflator, and tube, and don’t mind them getting wet and dirty, it is an perfectly OK solution.
..and dynaplugs, and pump. But yeah, that stuff getting wet and dirty is no big deal.
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Old 11-11-18 | 08:41 PM
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This thread has been circling the bowl for a while.

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