Benefit of thru axle
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Benefit of thru axle
Yesterday I received a new wheel-set for disc brakes. The wheels come with both the QRs and thru axle set ups. I have never used thru axles before. It is my understanding that the main benefit of the TAs is the stiffening of the wheels and therefore less stress on the wheels when braking.Does that also mean that the braking is faster? Will a wheel stay true longer? Do the TAs make it more difficult and longer to fix a flat while out riding? If that is the case, would it make any sense, or for any other reason, to only use the TAs on the front wheel. Obviously, the front gets more stress when braking.than the rear wheel. I am waiting for rotors for the new wheels before I mount them and I am looking for input regarding the using of the TAs compared to the QRs. Thanks and I appreciate any input regarding these questions.
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With q/r's you usually have to make some fine tune adjustments to center the rotor between the pads when installing the wheel. Not that it's a huge deal unless you're doing a wheel swap in a race. But with thru axles they line up in the same place every time. That's the only real difference I've experienced.
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Yesterday I received a new wheel-set for disc brakes. The wheels come with both the QRs and thru axle set ups. I have never used thru axles before. It is my understanding that the main benefit of the TAs is the stiffening of the wheels and therefore less stress on the wheels when braking.Does that also mean that the braking is faster? Will a wheel stay true longer? Do the TAs make it more difficult and longer to fix a flat while out riding? If that is the case, would it make any sense, or for any other reason, to only use the TAs on the front wheel. Obviously, the front gets more stress when braking.than the rear wheel. I am waiting for rotors for the new wheels before I mount them and I am looking for input regarding the using of the TAs compared to the QRs. Thanks and I appreciate any input regarding these questions.
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That makes sense regarding the stiffening of the forks and the handling, certainly a worthwhile benefit. But it also seems to me that I can see flex in the front wheel more prominently with disc brakes than with calipers. I will have to ride one bike and then the other immediately after to see if I that difference is true. Either way I will be using the TAs when I mount the wheels on my bike.
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You don't really have a choice on a bike that you already own. Either the frame and fork require through axles or they don't. You can't use through axles unless your frame and fork require them
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Except for bikes with alternator plates that allow you to have your choice, QR or TA (rear only) like the Salsa Fargo.
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thru axles
Thanks everybody. I obviously have a lack of knowledge for thru axles. Does anyone have a comment on the stressing or not of the wheels with disc brakes and TAs. It seems to me with the rotor being more centered in the wheel that it would add stress to the rims, spokes and tires compared to caliper brake pads on the rim. Maybe due to centrifugal force. Maybe I am wrong and just over thinking it. It is more curiosity than anything. I love Bike Forums!
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With q/r's you usually have to make some fine tune adjustments to center the rotor between the pads when installing the wheel. Not that it's a huge deal unless you're doing a wheel swap in a race. But with thru axles they line up in the same place every time. That's the only real difference I've experienced.
Because they can be inserted rather easily by hand, the hub can still move slightly on the axle, which can result in disc rubbing. The best method (as with QRs...) is still to drop the bike on the wheel/weight it on the ground, then close the fastener.
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Thanks everybody. I obviously have a lack of knowledge for thru axles. Does anyone have a comment on the stressing or not of the wheels with disc brakes and TAs. It seems to me with the rotor being more centered in the wheel that it would add stress to the rims, spokes and tires compared to caliper brake pads on the rim. Maybe due to centrifugal force. Maybe I am wrong and just over thinking it. It is more curiosity than anything. I love Bike Forums!
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I mean, kind of...but not my experience with anything but a press-fit axle.
Because they can be inserted rather easily by hand, the hub can still move slightly on the axle, which can result in disc rubbing. The best method (as with QRs...) is still to drop the bike on the wheel/weight it on the ground, then close the fastener.
Because they can be inserted rather easily by hand, the hub can still move slightly on the axle, which can result in disc rubbing. The best method (as with QRs...) is still to drop the bike on the wheel/weight it on the ground, then close the fastener.
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It's funny, I’m on my second MTB with a thru axle. This one has a Rock Shox front 15mm and a QR141 rear, so I can take the back off without a tool but need an Allen wrench for the front. The previous bike had a Suntour Aion fork which has a clever QR front TA but I needed a wrench for the rear.
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I like thru axle
I like tooled through axle even better. (ones that need an Allen wrench to take off)
One of my QR bikes doesn't use a QR cam but uses a 5mm allen I like it better, it's a much cleaner look IMO
If I get a Flat the 10 second difference between a QR cam lever vs using a tool, is nothing in the time frame it takes me to dig out a tube, and swapping a tube.
I like tooled through axle even better. (ones that need an Allen wrench to take off)
One of my QR bikes doesn't use a QR cam but uses a 5mm allen I like it better, it's a much cleaner look IMO
If I get a Flat the 10 second difference between a QR cam lever vs using a tool, is nothing in the time frame it takes me to dig out a tube, and swapping a tube.
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Rotational force is applied from two ongoing events when braking.
the wheel vs road surface
Or
The rider vs the wheel
If it were me, I'd determine which force is greater to decide what type of axle to go with.
the wheel vs road surface
Or
The rider vs the wheel
If it were me, I'd determine which force is greater to decide what type of axle to go with.
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Thru axle is simply for a stiffer fork, a more responsive fork to input from the bars, and a better feed back from the wheel to the fork to the bars to my hands. Which = a Much greater enjoyment. QR is like driving a car with worn out and loose tie rods.
I am the one steering, I'd like to be in control of that.
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I've never experienced movement between a wheel and fork legs using conventional quick release skewers. No play. But then I know how to properly tighten a quick release, unlike what I estimate to be 75% of the bike riding population.
I suppose if I were riding disks, thru-axles would be prudent to prevent the front wheel from ejecting, but since on road bikes, disks are heavy, fussy, and unnecessary, this is all moot.
Apart from the idiot-proofing benefit, thru-axles are just a time-wasting PITA.
I suppose if I were riding disks, thru-axles would be prudent to prevent the front wheel from ejecting, but since on road bikes, disks are heavy, fussy, and unnecessary, this is all moot.
Apart from the idiot-proofing benefit, thru-axles are just a time-wasting PITA.
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I doubt most riders will ever experience any real benefit from thru axles. We can regurgitate the theoretical advantages here on the WWW, but out on the trail it's not going to make a quantifiable difference.
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I've never experienced movement between a wheel and fork legs using conventional quick release skewers. No play. But then I know how to properly tighten a quick release, unlike what I estimate to be 75% of the bike riding population.
I suppose if I were riding disks, thru-axles would be prudent to prevent the front wheel from ejecting, but since on road bikes, disks are heavy, fussy, and unnecessary, this is all moot.
Apart from the idiot-proofing benefit, thru-axles are just a time-wasting PITA.
I suppose if I were riding disks, thru-axles would be prudent to prevent the front wheel from ejecting, but since on road bikes, disks are heavy, fussy, and unnecessary, this is all moot.
Apart from the idiot-proofing benefit, thru-axles are just a time-wasting PITA.
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But on the trail (if you mean mountain biking on singletrack) it abso-freaking-lutely does.
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Meanwhile, folks that have transitioned from QR to TA over the last few decades have noticed better tracking in chunk, less twisting, etc.
"Thru Axle and Wheel-to-Fork Clamping Stiffness One further area where the overall torsional inertia stiffness can be improved is at the axles. From work on our previous thru axle bikes (and, even before that, from research performed many years ago), we have learned that the 12mm thru axles used on our disc-brake bikes contribute further improvement to the overall system stiffness. The larger axle diameter and more rigid connection to the fork (compared with a quickrelease axle) both work to make the bike stiffer laterally" (https://www.cervelo.com/media/gene-c...tech_paper.pdf)
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The larger axle diameter and more rigid connection to the fork (compared with a quickrelease axle) both work to make the bike stiffer laterally" (https://www.cervelo.com/media/gene-c...tech_paper.pdf)
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With q/r's you usually have to make some fine tune adjustments to center the rotor between the pads when installing the wheel. Not that it's a huge deal unless you're doing a wheel swap in a race. But with thru axles they line up in the same place every time. That's the only real difference I've experienced.




