The reality is that most people riding lightweight carbon wheels (e.g. Enve, Zipp, Campy Bora) are still using rim brakes. Regardless, it's silly to compare disc brake carbon wheels with rim brake aluminum wheels, and then claim there isn't much weight savings with the carbon wheels. You need to either compare rim-to-rim or disc-to-disc.

Lots of data out there showing aero wheels provide much greater advantages. Take a look at the CGN video for example. Their tests shows a 2 km difference at 250 watts. Now I know most people don’t routinely ride at 250 watts but lots of other data shows pretty significant gains at much less output.

But they are not comparable because carbon rim brakes are not very good. To compare they must actually be somewhat effectively equal at what they are supposed to do.

Sure they are valuable and obviously faster. But, compared with some other factors like size of rider, etc. it can be minimal. If a 200 lb guy wearing a cheap helmet, with a saddlebag and hooded tee shirt thinks he is going to get fast because of wheels, he is delusional.

Yes, I'm over weight, so I know that getting aero carbon wheels isn't going to make up for me losing 30 lbs.

I ordered 2 weeks ago but due to the current virus situation, the factory can only deliver estimated date of 10 march. Real bummer. Had I known this and did a little bit more research I would have just settled for something similar to Aforce AL33, the Boyd Altamont.

That is one of the most non-sensical justifications of an apples-to-oranges comparison I have ever heard. False premise and bad logic.

That's only two weeks from now. What did you order and from where?

it is 2 weeks from now but 1 month from the day I ordered. I ended up ordering from farsports because of thier zero shipping and handing charges making my build price even lower. I'd be happy with the Boyd too. Its cheaper and although less aero I still can have wider internal rims.