Pickles!!!!
02-17-24 | 07:17 PM
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Pickles!!!!
How many here use pickles and pickle juice before and/or during rides? They are good for electrolytes and preventing cramps (or minimize)
And would you buy pickles that were made with cyclists in mind ie packaging, one time use container, simple ingredients, organic…
Not like that crappy pickle bag you find at 7-11….this would be great quality and home grown.
let me know your thoughts, seeing if there is a market for this.
And would you buy pickles that were made with cyclists in mind ie packaging, one time use container, simple ingredients, organic…
Not like that crappy pickle bag you find at 7-11….this would be great quality and home grown.
let me know your thoughts, seeing if there is a market for this.
02-17-24 | 07:48 PM
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I'm a big believer in pickle juice. And I don't want to be a wet blanket, but there are already pickle juice packets for this purpose. this may be a build a better mousetrap opportunity for you though. I just don't see how it would be of use to me personally.
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02-17-24 | 08:00 PM
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I saw a comment to use fast food burger joint relish packets!
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It's not the electrolytes:
From an older thread on hydration recommendations, I posted:
Most leg cramps I've seen in cyclists seem to be related to harder than usual rides. Bigger steeper climbs and more miles than usual. Not an electrolyte or dehydration cause.
pickle juice
Some of the local hot summer event rides have small cups of pickle juice at the rest stops.
Now, newer studies show that just a sip of pickle juice triggers a nerve reflex in the throat to short circuit some cramps. Ha, that's interesting. (The studies weren't with cyclists, though.)
For example, from the Washington Post:
How to get rid of leg cramps? Try pickle juice.
After I posted this, I kept a tiny squirt bottle of apple cider vinegar by my bedside. I get random thigh, calf or foot cramps at night occasionally. They can be very tight and painful, and would take a long minute or so to relax.
I've had a few moderate cramps since then, and a half teaspoon sized squirt of vinegar to the back of my mouth killed the cramps within a few seconds. Ha, that's amazing!
(apple cider vinegar is way less nasty than pickle juice, I think.)
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It's not the electrolytes:
From an older thread on hydration recommendations, I posted:
Most leg cramps I've seen in cyclists seem to be related to harder than usual rides. Bigger steeper climbs and more miles than usual. Not an electrolyte or dehydration cause.
pickle juice
Some of the local hot summer event rides have small cups of pickle juice at the rest stops.
Now, newer studies show that just a sip of pickle juice triggers a nerve reflex in the throat to short circuit some cramps. Ha, that's interesting. (The studies weren't with cyclists, though.)
For example, from the Washington Post:
How to get rid of leg cramps? Try pickle juice.
...
We do know muscle cramps occur more frequently among the elderly and among athletes, during pregnancy and dialysis, and in those with certain health conditions such as diabetes, cirrhosis or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. If you’re experiencing cramps often, be sure to check with your doctor to rule out any concerns.
Leg cramps seem to peak in the midsummer and decrease in the winter, according to one study. Cramping among athletes also tends to increase during periods of hot weather, but it seems these cramps aren’t related to dehydration and electrolyte imbalances from sweating, as some have thought.
Evidence on how best to treat leg cramps is weak. But after reviewing the state of the medical literature, I often recommend trying two simple solutions: gently stretch the muscle or take a sip of pickle juice.
...
For cramping, athletes have long sworn by pickle juice (strained from jars of dill or kosher pickles) and other acidic substances such as mustard or apple cider vinegar.
Experimental data in healthy college-aged men suggests that pickle juice inhibits muscle cramps through a reflex involving a nerve in our throats. It’s why a tablespoon of pickle brine hitting the back of the throat seemed to bring relief within seconds.
Pickle juice may also work for cramps that aren’t induced by exercise. A randomized controlled trial published last year found that a sip of pickle juice reduced muscle cramp intensity in patients with cirrhosis.
Researchers believe this improvement is due to a similar reflex that occurs almost immediately, rather than by how pickle juice is metabolized by the gut.
More rigorous research is needed on pickle juice’s effect on muscle cramps. And this strategy might be less helpful for people whose leg cramps are rare or disappear on their own too quickly to justify keeping pickle juice handy. But it’s safe and cheap enough that I’d feel comfortable recommending it to anyone.
Remember: No need to overdo it.
“A sip is all it takes. We’re not telling people to chug pickle juice,” said Elliot Tapper, a hepatologist at the University of Michigan and the 2022 study’s lead author.
...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~We do know muscle cramps occur more frequently among the elderly and among athletes, during pregnancy and dialysis, and in those with certain health conditions such as diabetes, cirrhosis or amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. If you’re experiencing cramps often, be sure to check with your doctor to rule out any concerns.
Leg cramps seem to peak in the midsummer and decrease in the winter, according to one study. Cramping among athletes also tends to increase during periods of hot weather, but it seems these cramps aren’t related to dehydration and electrolyte imbalances from sweating, as some have thought.
Evidence on how best to treat leg cramps is weak. But after reviewing the state of the medical literature, I often recommend trying two simple solutions: gently stretch the muscle or take a sip of pickle juice.
...
For cramping, athletes have long sworn by pickle juice (strained from jars of dill or kosher pickles) and other acidic substances such as mustard or apple cider vinegar.
Experimental data in healthy college-aged men suggests that pickle juice inhibits muscle cramps through a reflex involving a nerve in our throats. It’s why a tablespoon of pickle brine hitting the back of the throat seemed to bring relief within seconds.
Pickle juice may also work for cramps that aren’t induced by exercise. A randomized controlled trial published last year found that a sip of pickle juice reduced muscle cramp intensity in patients with cirrhosis.
Researchers believe this improvement is due to a similar reflex that occurs almost immediately, rather than by how pickle juice is metabolized by the gut.
More rigorous research is needed on pickle juice’s effect on muscle cramps. And this strategy might be less helpful for people whose leg cramps are rare or disappear on their own too quickly to justify keeping pickle juice handy. But it’s safe and cheap enough that I’d feel comfortable recommending it to anyone.
Remember: No need to overdo it.
“A sip is all it takes. We’re not telling people to chug pickle juice,” said Elliot Tapper, a hepatologist at the University of Michigan and the 2022 study’s lead author.
...
After I posted this, I kept a tiny squirt bottle of apple cider vinegar by my bedside. I get random thigh, calf or foot cramps at night occasionally. They can be very tight and painful, and would take a long minute or so to relax.
I've had a few moderate cramps since then, and a half teaspoon sized squirt of vinegar to the back of my mouth killed the cramps within a few seconds. Ha, that's amazing!
(apple cider vinegar is way less nasty than pickle juice, I think.)
02-17-24 | 08:17 PM
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I've never tried pickle juice for cramps, but a couple of times I've woken up in the middle of the night with leg cramps and found that a sip of milk has a similar immediate effect to what's described above from pickle juice.
02-17-24 | 08:48 PM
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At my most recent gravel event, cramps started biting me at mile 25. On the walking section at mile 35, my legs were refusing to bend. At the mile 37 aid station, I took a shot of pickle juice (I don’t care for pickles) out of desperation. It didn’t magically erase the cramps, but I was able to ride the final 23 miles with only mild twinges, even on the most brutal walking section in the last 10-ish miles. I’m not a pickle juice convert, but I’m open to the fact that there might be something there.
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02-17-24 | 09:14 PM
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^ I had a similar experience.
The one and only time I've used pickle juice was deep into a gravel race. I'd already had a small cramp and was coming up to a nasty climb. I downed a bottle of pickle juice (this stuff) right before the climb and carried on.
Did it prevent me from cramping further? Well, maybe. I didn't cramp. Was that because of the pickle juice? Who knows, but I rated it at the time!
The one and only time I've used pickle juice was deep into a gravel race. I'd already had a small cramp and was coming up to a nasty climb. I downed a bottle of pickle juice (this stuff) right before the climb and carried on.
Did it prevent me from cramping further? Well, maybe. I didn't cramp. Was that because of the pickle juice? Who knows, but I rated it at the time!
02-17-24 | 09:20 PM
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I am one of the pickle juice faithful.
Don’t drink/eat pickles (dill) prior to or during, but frequently I will have a swig after a long hot ride in high temps especially when I cramp in the evening or worse yet, in bed. If I cramp in the evening pickle juice + a magnesium tablet always takes care of them.
I did start to cramp last summer on a 12% 1/2 mile climb after 70 miles. Wished I had a pickle then.
Don’t drink/eat pickles (dill) prior to or during, but frequently I will have a swig after a long hot ride in high temps especially when I cramp in the evening or worse yet, in bed. If I cramp in the evening pickle juice + a magnesium tablet always takes care of them.
I did start to cramp last summer on a 12% 1/2 mile climb after 70 miles. Wished I had a pickle then.
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02-17-24 | 09:38 PM
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Pickle juice is great. The best pickle juice I had was at a bar in a Vietnamese restaurant years ago, it was from daikon and carrots and was absolutely delicious, the whisky was crappy Jack D but the pickleback was divine and I ordered a few more of those.
In terms of creating a product, it is a cool notion but there are options on the market already. Though if you did a different pickle juice flavor beyond standard pickled cucumber flavors maybe some funkier flavors like described above that could be cool.
In terms of creating a product, it is a cool notion but there are options on the market already. Though if you did a different pickle juice flavor beyond standard pickled cucumber flavors maybe some funkier flavors like described above that could be cool.
02-17-24 | 09:44 PM
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Pickle juice is great. The best pickle juice I had was at a bar in a Vietnamese restaurant years ago, it was from daikon and carrots and was absolutely delicious, the whisky was crappy Jack D but the pickleback was divine and I ordered a few more of those.
In terms of creating a product, it is a cool notion but there are options on the market already. Though if you did a different pickle juice flavor beyond standard pickled cucumber flavors maybe some funkier flavors like described above that could be cool.
In terms of creating a product, it is a cool notion but there are options on the market already. Though if you did a different pickle juice flavor beyond standard pickled cucumber flavors maybe some funkier flavors like described above that could be cool.
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02-17-24 | 09:47 PM
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02-17-24 | 09:52 PM
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When the jar of Vlasic pickles is empty, the juice gets poured into the dedicated pickle juice jar. (I suppose this means some small percentage of the contents is literally years old.)
I see no reason for single serve packets, just take a healthy swig out of the jar before a ride and do the same after. Keep it simple, right?
For those who doubt the efficacy of this stuff I'll submit Eagles v. Cowboys, September 2000.
I see no reason for single serve packets, just take a healthy swig out of the jar before a ride and do the same after. Keep it simple, right?
For those who doubt the efficacy of this stuff I'll submit Eagles v. Cowboys, September 2000.
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02-18-24 | 06:22 AM
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Bottled pickle juice shots already exist.
E.g.,
https://www.amazon.com/Pickle-Juice-...BoCjHIQAvD_BwE
E.g.,
https://www.amazon.com/Pickle-Juice-...BoCjHIQAvD_BwE
02-18-24 | 06:37 AM
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Regarding simple ingredients, organic, etc. - Kosher pickles fit the bill.
02-18-24 | 07:48 AM
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Bottled pickle juice shots already exist.
E.g.,
https://www.amazon.com/Pickle-Juice-...BoCjHIQAvD_BwE
E.g.,
https://www.amazon.com/Pickle-Juice-...BoCjHIQAvD_BwE
02-18-24 | 09:19 AM
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Chocolate flavored cottage cheese?
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02-18-24 | 09:43 AM
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Why a one-time-use container that would then go straight into the trash? Most pickles are sold in recyclable glass jars with recyclable metal lids. It would take 10 seconds to pull a pickle out of a jar and stick it in a bag. If I wanted to carry a pickle, I'd use a bag left over from a doughnut I bought at the local supermarket bakery.
Regarding simple ingredients, organic, etc. - Kosher pickles fit the bill.
Regarding simple ingredients, organic, etc. - Kosher pickles fit the bill.
02-18-24 | 10:55 AM
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It’s already been done - here is just a small sample. On a longish hot ride, sticking a pickle spear or two in a baggie should work fine for far cheaper.
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02-18-24 | 03:30 PM
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On longer summer rides I'll sometimes bring a few of the mini dill pickles in a zip lock bag. On occasion, if I don't bring any with me, I'll stop at a deli during my ride and get one of those huge dill pickles. I like pickles!
02-18-24 | 04:05 PM
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Is pickle juice specific to flavor? I don't like Dill but love snacking on bread and butter pickles and sip the juice.
02-18-24 | 08:25 PM
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Once I was riding the latter half of a self-century across Camp Pendleton when a fierce, dry Santa Ana wind came up. I'd drank at least a gallon of water that day, so I was a little confused that my peripheral vision was fuzzing into bubbles and I was on the edge of blacking out. I licked my salty mustache and realized I'd become sodium-deprived. I sucked the delicious salt crust from my jersey's sleeves. Utterly delicious.
Fortunately the convenience store on-base didn't ask for a military ID when I bought more water and a bag of salt and pepper kettle chips--sodium and potassium--one of the most delicious experiences of my life laying there on the grass outside the convenience store. It was everything my biology needed.
I guess pickle brine has plenty of sodium in it and provides a similar effect. But I prefer the taste of kettle chips to pickle brine. Heck, they even have pickle-flavored kettle chips nowadays. Sodium AND potassium: it's a winning combination.
Fortunately the convenience store on-base didn't ask for a military ID when I bought more water and a bag of salt and pepper kettle chips--sodium and potassium--one of the most delicious experiences of my life laying there on the grass outside the convenience store. It was everything my biology needed.
I guess pickle brine has plenty of sodium in it and provides a similar effect. But I prefer the taste of kettle chips to pickle brine. Heck, they even have pickle-flavored kettle chips nowadays. Sodium AND potassium: it's a winning combination.
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02-18-24 | 10:32 PM
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