E-(insert your vehicle of choice) do not attract an accurate sample size of society.

They attract punks. You will clearly see that their most popular user base are young males. These young males are not your typical Rhodes scholars either.

Punks do stupid things.

Paris already banned e-scooters because of their issue with punks. Many cities will follow.

^^No video link?^^

As someone who has listened to punk music for a large portion of their life please refrain from your inaccurate baseless claims! Punks don't do stupid things people who don't use their brains do stupid things and try to claim riding a bicycle is unsafe on a bicycle forum. Punks span a lot of different sections of society. For instance Milo Aukerman of the band The Descendents, Greg Graffin of Bad Religion and Epitaph Records, Dexter Holland of The Offspring, Greg Turner of the Angry Samoans all have PhDs (in different fields) and Milo worked as a biochemist and I think Greg was/is a professor and I am sure there are others I cannot think of off the top of my head. Look at Ian MacKaye of a whole bunch of DC punk bands and of the label Dischord, he is extremely well spoken, well read and very conscious both in a social and political context. If you went to a Fugazi show and started getting violent you would be politely asked to stop and then removed from the show and given your money back. Not something your false idea of a "punk" would do. John Josephs of the hardcore band The Cro-Mags is an IronMan Triathlete, a Hare Krishna and vegan.

Those who use e-vehicles are a pretty wide diverse section of population and like any section of population you will generally have some small part of that be people who may not always do the right thing but that is a small section of population. Most people are generally good because if not we would all be killing each other and it would be more of a post-apocalyptic scenario. There is a lot of bad in the world but most of comes from a tiny bubble in the population sadly not a mass of people. Jay Leno drives several e-vehicles and owns a few himself and I don't think you would call him a "punk"

I do ride e-bikes and listen to punk music but those are two mutually exclusive things though yes technically I will sometimes listen to punk will riding but I am not causing the issues you think exist en masse that don't. Most of the people in the punk community have been some of the nicest most caring people out there, despite the music we listen to.

pretty much wrong on all points
pedal assist ebikes have users of all ages and demographics and by my observation are as courteous as other cyclists

non pedal assist e bikes also attract a wide range of people.......some who ride with common sense and courtesy and others who don't

and locally more people complain obout groups of kids doing wheelies on bikes as groups...... irritating to some, but nothing terrible

Paris banned escooters after a referendum (low voter turnout) issues were safety, people riding on sidewalks, people dropping scooters in middle of side walks..... nothing point to "punks" pretty much the same as any place with escooters

I'd be willing to bet my farm they meant the classic definition of punk, not punk rockers or punk music listeners. Like the 1st definition below

punk /pŭngk/
noun

1. An often aggressive or violent young man.
   "The building was set on fire by a bunch of punks."
2. An inexperienced young person.
   "We don't want that little punk tagging along."
3. A cowardly or weak young man.
   "Don't let him disrespect you—show him you're not a punk."

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition • More at Wordnik

I was talking to my lbs persona a couple weeks ago, my dad was looking at the ebikes they have for rent there. Staff said they had to remove the throttles I think becuase they found out the tourons who rent them (and yes, they are located near the local beaches) kept knocking themselves off with how sensative the throttles were.
I didnt exactly get into the whole conversation/pay attention becuase I was watching the tech work on my bike.

Havent rode on out rail to trail pathways yet, although I have heard closer to the beach areas they've had some issues with folks zipping around trying to avoid the "highways" in the area. Mind, this is on a relatively quiet peninsula but its gets crazy when the tourons get here for the summer. They forget their brains no matter what vehicle/lack of they are using.

Those little ****ers are ruining eBikes for everyone. Here's my enforcement plan:

• Plainclothes police hide with broomsticks in the bushes. When some kid comes along being a jerk, the broomstick goes in the bike's spokes and the jerk goes for an unplanned flight., or.
• nail strips get deployed in front of the jerk
• The cops would carry pepper spray and tasers
• The cops would be on eMotos
• eBike gets impounded and the jerk spends a night in jail and gets a $200 ticket, which must be paid to get his eBike back.

This soft on crime approach does not work.
"No electric power on paths" doesn't work either. Why focus on that? Just enforce the speed limit ruthlessly. It's about being a jerk, not about electric. Just like mass shootings are about being a jerk and not about the style of weapon.

Maybe so maybe not.
In any cases baseless claims are not needed here and that poster is well known for that. This is a bike forum and they are actively opposing cycling. Not a good thing.

He’s been reported.

Such lovely people. So considerate for people with disabilities and the elderly:


The part at 3:30 where he collides with a car and then speeds off is so heartwarming. 5:13 is also dear to my heart.

Not to worry, this is only a small segment of e-vehicles. They do not reflect the actions of the majority.

Exactly. I meant societal degenerate. There are no connotations with punk rock music at all.

So why not call them degens (from up country) why invoke punk?

Ok so a small group of randos is not a large segment of society. Annoying but irrelevant to most things and their vehicle is not the issue they are unique individual humans are the issue. Also their vehicle is not a bicycle and this is a bicycle forum.

Be easier to just shoot them and leave the bodies as a warning

Did you see that UK police are allowed to ram moped-mounted criminals? It's so odd, as they are so soft on crime in general, but for moped-mounted crime, they're not taking it any more!

The better one would be how the power is acquired. Throttle = motorbike. Pedals = bicycle.

In Europe at least, an e-bike can only provide pedal assistance up to 15.5mph, with a 250w maximum power limit (I think that's a class 1 in US). Anything that can be driven on just a throttle or above 15.5mph is a moped and needs a registration plate, insurance, tax etc.
There are plenty of illegal mods/imports, but they can be taken away by the police just for being on a road.

Why the US groups throttle controlled moped with e-bicycles is beyond me.

Above 25Kph and a bicycle would be a S-Pedelec generally all the other stuff would be correct.

I don't get it but there are some people here who follow it like it is the absolute truth. A throttle and pedals is an e-moped it is simple it is easy and it is not incorrect. It doesn't mean it is an insult it is just the facts of the matter.