Why "Groupset"?
06-28-24 | 09:54 PM
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I always figured "groupset" was a reasonable way of describing an entire group of components designed to work well together.
Campagnolo refers to them as "groupsets" (gruppi). If it's good enough for them, ...
https://www.campagnolo.com/us-en/roa...cing-bicycles/
Campagnolo refers to them as "groupsets" (gruppi). If it's good enough for them, ...
https://www.campagnolo.com/us-en/roa...cing-bicycles/
06-28-24 | 10:09 PM
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First world ‘problem’.
There’s genocide in Africa, mass starvation, catastrophic weather events, countries invading others and slaughtering civilians (Ukraine) and this is what the OP is concerned with.
Yeesh.
There’s genocide in Africa, mass starvation, catastrophic weather events, countries invading others and slaughtering civilians (Ukraine) and this is what the OP is concerned with.
Yeesh.
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06-28-24 | 10:23 PM
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And that's unusual on this forum because....? I'm wondering if there's a single meaningful thread in that context.
06-28-24 | 11:36 PM
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06-28-24 | 11:44 PM
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It's from the same people that brought you "chai tea latte" or "tea with milk tea milk"
But I'm actually ok with groupset. Sounds vaguely British.
EDIT: As a bit of a word nerd, I delved further. While Newspapers.com is by no means definitive, looks like "groupset" first started being used in the 1980s in, as I had guessed, the UK.
Here's an ad from the South Wales Evening Post, Fri, Oct 10, 1986
Macclesfield Express Thu, Mar 31, 1988
Birmingham Metronews Fri, Nov 24, 1989
Someone in Atlanta started using "groupset" in late 1987 - see the Bataglin
The Atlanta Journal Thu, Nov 12, 1987
Within Newspaper.com's print dataset, "groupset" as a term died at the turn of the century.
But I'm actually ok with groupset. Sounds vaguely British.
EDIT: As a bit of a word nerd, I delved further. While Newspapers.com is by no means definitive, looks like "groupset" first started being used in the 1980s in, as I had guessed, the UK.
Here's an ad from the South Wales Evening Post, Fri, Oct 10, 1986
Macclesfield Express Thu, Mar 31, 1988
Birmingham Metronews Fri, Nov 24, 1989
Someone in Atlanta started using "groupset" in late 1987 - see the Bataglin
The Atlanta Journal Thu, Nov 12, 1987
Within Newspaper.com's print dataset, "groupset" as a term died at the turn of the century.
06-28-24 | 11:49 PM
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I feel a low-level twinge of annoyance every time I see the word "groupset."
The earliest use in the world of bikes of any form of the term seems to have been "gruppo." Which makes sense: Campagnolo pioneered the concept of production of a coherent group of components by a single manufacturer.
When other (non-Italian) manufacturers followed suit, their all-of-a-piece product sets were referred to in print in Anglophone magazines as "groups." Not as "groupsets."
(Note that the Bike Forums spellchecker, like me, regards "groupset" as an abomination.)
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The earliest use in the world of bikes of any form of the term seems to have been "gruppo." Which makes sense: Campagnolo pioneered the concept of production of a coherent group of components by a single manufacturer.
When other (non-Italian) manufacturers followed suit, their all-of-a-piece product sets were referred to in print in Anglophone magazines as "groups." Not as "groupsets."
(Note that the Bike Forums spellchecker, like me, regards "groupset" as an abomination.)
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06-28-24 | 11:52 PM
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06-28-24 | 11:57 PM
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Groupset could be repetitively redundant, or, the "set" part could imply "matching" components, and not just a "complete" group with all needed parts, but not all matching.
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06-29-24 | 02:15 AM
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That's not a universally accepted definition of heat. Heat is commonly defined as a form of energy that is transferred between bodies at different temperatures, i.e heat is a thing that is transferred, not the transfer itself. With this definition, it's reasonable to use the term heat transfer. (I've never met a physicist that had a problem with the term.)
06-29-24 | 02:32 AM
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06-29-24 | 02:40 AM
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06-29-24 | 03:18 AM
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I always figured "groupset" was a reasonable way of describing an entire group of components designed to work well together.
Campagnolo refers to them as "groupsets" (gruppi). If it's good enough for them, ...
https://www.campagnolo.com/us-en/roa...cing-bicycles/
Campagnolo refers to them as "groupsets" (gruppi). If it's good enough for them, ...
https://www.campagnolo.com/us-en/roa...cing-bicycles/
There's no logical difference between the words "group" and "groupset." Each can be used unambiguously to describe an entire group of components designed to work well together. "Shimano Ultegra 11-speed group" has never sent anyone flying to the dictionary in confusion. And "group" has the additional merit of not being internally redundant.
That said, an earlier poster pointed out that the use of "groupset" came about in Great Britain, where "chainset" was already a commonly used term. So that explains that.
06-29-24 | 04:12 AM
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06-29-24 | 07:03 AM
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Livery is also commonly used by trainspotters and planespotters.
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06-29-24 | 07:20 AM
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Seat post, seat stay, seat tube and seat post clamp, but you damn well better not use the word seat here. Nerds will start salivating.
06-29-24 | 07:33 AM
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One example:
delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment.
"our progress was ******** by unforeseen difficulties"
delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment.
"our progress was ******** by unforeseen difficulties"
06-29-24 | 10:03 AM
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06-29-24 | 10:33 AM
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That English person must have been pretty old. American slang is well known in the UK due to TV, film, music and social media. I’m no spring chicken myself, but I have no trouble understanding ‘mercan. I think our own regional accents and slang are harder to follow. Ever watched Rab C Nesbitt?
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06-29-24 | 10:59 AM
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