Stay out of Canada and the UK and you'll be fine

Deckel:


Decal:

I'd put that in the smoker for about 8 hours. The deckel, not the decal.

Never heard "Campy" before I moved to the US in the early 90's - in my experience, it was alway "Campag" up to that point. "Campy" meant something entirely different

Deckel makes some really nice machine tools. I always wanted one of their small combination vertical/horizontal mills.

"Campag" is probably British. I'm not sure that it's really superior in any way to "Campy." Either way, the only people left who use Campagnolo definitely say the entire name.

Anyway, some people in this thread need to look up, "term of art." It doesn't really matter what mathematics or physics or philosophy say about a term if it has become entrenched in a field.

The Table Mesa signage I posted is for (one of) the Arizona Table Mesa(s). It seems like there's another one further south in AZ, also. I thought there was one in Wyoming also, but if so I guess it's too small to make the google map.

Yep, always Campag in the UK. Campy seems to be a mainly US term. I have never heard anyone use the full word, Campagnolo, in spoken conversation.

We have one in Boulder as well. I suspect it's a pretty common name.

I wonder if it's because in America, IME, people say "cam-pan-YO-lo", whereas in the UK videos I hear it pronounced "cam-pag-NO-lo" Calling it "Campag" if you use the former pronunciation doesn't make sense, but it does with the latter.

Makes sense. I didn’t even realise Americans pronounced it like that.

There's a British linguist who has a YouTube channel, Geoff Lindsey, whose videos look at things like the differenced in English pronunciation in different countries and areas. He did one on how Americans tend to try to pronounce foreign words more like they're pronounced in the original language than Brits do, like "JAG-wahr" vs "JAG-you-ar" for the Spanish "jaguar", which is pronounced more like "ha-WAHR"


Hence, while I see Si and Dan pronouncing "Battaglin" as "BAT-uh-glin", I pronounce it more like something between "BAH-tah-yeen" and "BAH-tah-leen", because the Italian pronunciation of the "gl" is not like any phoneme in American English.

Having spent some of my youth in Italy, it took me forever to get over Gordon Ramsay's pronunciation of pasta.

Sure are a lot of them!

Seems like "Table Mesa" is a fairly popular name for Mexican restaurants.

Looks like it might be Table Mountain in Wy.

I personally thought acoustic bike was hilarious and got the joke immediately, but perhaps "unplugged bike" may make more sense, just like "unplugged" began to be a shorthand for non-electric musical instruments following the eponymous album by Eric Clapton c1992. It would seem to communicate better than "normal bike", "regular bike", "manual bike", or "bike-bike".

"It's a moo point." "A moo point?!" "Yeah, y'know, like a cow's opinion. It's doesn't matter. It's moo." - Joey, Friends

"tubs" referring to tubular tires. I guess because "tubes", which would be a better shortening of the word, is already taken by a tire/wheel part.

"Sewups" for chrissakes.

Agree: ban "steed" or "stable" forever. Bike forums should replace any use of that word with *****. Or, for goodness sakes "quiver"???

I fully understand the meaning, but it just makes me cringe. It's bad enough in print, but thankfully I have never heard anyone use that term in spoken conversation.

Agreed, when talking about your bikes (referring to them in the feminine of course) I'll stick to 'harem'

"Acoustic bike" is gratingly cringeworthy, for sure. Adolescent male humor, equivalent to the snickering heard when the "iPad" was released (though without the nervousness about a female bodily function).

Not to worry, though. The names used out in the world (outside of forums, that is) for the two types will continue to be "bike" and "ebike," just as the English-speaking world has had no problem with the occasionally ambiguous "bike" versus "motorcycle" (or "motorbike," the term my Solihull, Birmingham-born girlfriend uses to refer to any ICE bike).

“Motorbike” is more commonly used than “motorcycle” in the UK. The latter is considered a bit old-fashioned. “Bike” as an abbreviation for both motorbike and bicycle is also very common here. But the word “biker” is used exclusively to describe motorbike riders.

”Bicyclist” is another American term I find a bit odd. We just call them “cyclists” in the UK. It makes me wonder if Americans use the term “tricyclist”.

"Quiver" is a silly name for the group of bikes one owns and rides. If you've shot bow'n'arras much, you know that the vast majority of archers want every arrow in their quiver to be as much like all the others as possible, because consistency is the basis of accuracy. With bikes, if you own a number of bikes, usually no two are alike. You bought each one for its own unique properties that set it apart from the others. "Stable" conveys that idea - horses are individuals, so it's not a bunch of identical things, so "stable" is okay by me. I've used it occasionally. But "steed"? That's a bit pretentious, somehow, IMO.

WRT tires, I agree that "tubs" is not, at least in speech, an abbreviation of "tubulars", and "sew-ups" is far more specifically descriptive. Up till tubeless was invented, all tires had tubes, so "tubular" could describe all of them, but "sew-up" clearly distinguishes one type. I suppose you could also call them "stick-ons", but that doesn't sound as good as "sew-up".

Steed sounds dumb, but I thought "stable" was the correct term for a collection of bikes, the ones that you actually ride. Not to be confused with a collection of bikes that are displayed or that are up in the attic, a stable is the group of bikes that is in rotation being actively ridden. If not stable, what is the preferred term?

OK, I'll allow "stable". I got caught up in the travesty of a mockery of a sham called "steed". Stable is a useful term.

Well now you've done it. My pet peeve is every engine-powered boat referring to their powertrain as a "motor". Motors are electric. Engines use combustion, be it internal combustion, gas turbine, or any other. But the umlaut is just out of place anywhere on Enginehead.

Then the model rocketry hobby must drive you to drinkin.’