Nope. Just trying to make sense of what you posted here. I could hardly care less about the faith topic. I'd have had the same response if you'd described a ride where you claimed bikes from all over the world were represented and then provided a list consisting of Fuji, Bridgestone, Miyata, Centurion, Univega, and other Japanese bikes and nothing else.

Neither Trakhak nor I suggested that we were upset with you mentioning Christianity. You seem to looking for a fight where one doesn't exist.

My list
 

I listed those particular people groups, not to prove to you that there were Christians on the tour, but to counter your claim that non-Christians were not allowed to ride with us. By the way, there were Schwinns, Peugeots, Treks, Fuji's and a miriad of other bicycle brands, represented. Non of the Bicycles were Christians, though. Like I said, we should limit our conversations to Bicycles, from now on. This is sounding absurd.

My Christian Adventures Tour and American Bikes
 

I simply posted photos of my trip with a group named ' Christian Adventures' that you considered 'Christian Signaling' and I started a Thread about American Bikes that you considered Too Political. Your accusing me of starting a fight? Wow.

Get your facts right. I never accused you of "Christian Signaling" nor did I make any statements about this thread being too political.

Religious Signaling
 

Polaris OBark, called my CA threads Religious Signaling. I don't even know what that is.

Looking for a fight
 

tomato coupe said that I seem to be looking for a fight where there isn't one.

Patriotism?
 

And 'I like to ride' said my 'American Bikes' thread was more about Patriotism than cycling.
Maybe I need to find another forum to participate in or maybe I should just stay off line all together.

Nice welcome.
 

Nice welcome to the forum, gentleman.

When you come in guns blazing the townsfolk aren't going to roll out the proverbial red carpet. If you want to talk about the subject stay upon it and don't stray and know what you said. Instead of saying I rode with people of different faiths despite them all being of one just say I rode with Christians or better yet don't go down that hole and just focus on bikes. Bikes are a better thing to talk about than religion, trust me. At least generally people aren't killed over preferring Schwalbe tires to Continental or Specialized to Trek or something silly like that however none of that needs to be rehashed for the umpteenth time.

You forgot to misattribute this quote to tomato coupe:

Let's say someone started some threads about Wahabi Islamist Adventures, to see if there were others who participated in the Jihad.

So instead we have two threads on a much more appropriate religion's activities, and now this one on justifying MAGA isolationism and tariffs. If someone calls you out, you can just play innocent, pointing out this is just how normal patriotic real Americans think.

Aka Facebook
 

I posted about my trip with Christian Adventures and only one member commented. Then in another post, I was attacked for being too political in my defense of American Bikes. I was told, that in the same way, I was Religious Signaling in another post.

I didn't come into town with Guns Blazing. I came to this forum to talk about Bicycles, but certain members continue to push the buttons and constantly go off topic. This forum is nothing but a Facebook Clone. If this is what Bike Forums is all about, I don't want anything to do with it. Where is the delete button, for this forum?

Then talk about bicycles. Simple as that.

I apologize.

Posting on forums is a bit like driving: it's far too easy to give in to one's baser instincts reflexively, usually with no or only minor consequences, but not always.

In my case, such minor religion content as your posts contained had nothing to do with my.posts. Yes, there were logical lapses in your posts that pushed my buttons. But I could have and should have clicked away from the thread.

An anecdote that comes to mind:

Several decades ago, when my friend Kim and I were roommates, Jasmine, her Black Labrador, used to do something I've never known another dog to do.

If Jasmine heard someone walking toward the house and people were sitting in the living room, Jasmine would trot over to the nearest person and stick her muzzle on that person's thigh.

The first time it happened to me, I asked Kim what this was about. She said, "Cover Jasmine's muzzle with your hand."

I did so. Jasmine then began barking, but her woofing was smothered by my hand. Kim said, "She knows she's not supposed to bark, but she can't help it, so she figured out the next best thing to do."

There might be a lesson there for me and others.

There is a subform here called Politics and Religion, and a general agreement, enforced by the mods, that discussion of those topics outside of P&R is unwelcome.
So you show up, violate community standards from the get go, and then act all 8utt hurt about it.

It actually shocks me that the mods did not close this thread or move it to P&R straight off the bat.

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Notice how the “Off topic” complaint sounds an awful lot like something coming from YKW.

Yes, there are all-American* bicycles, as I've pointed out many times this topic has come up (about once every 18 months or so).


*I dunno, maybe the bearings are imported. Probably.

The topic is all-American bikes, crucially including components, not just frames.

I have a couple quick questions

Where is the deprived market crying out for the all American bicycle ?

Who actually GAF ?

Thanks

Probably the biggest obstacle in doing an all US made bike is the chain. Making an accurate and reliable chain at a cost anyone would be willing to pay isn't easy. Very possible. But it would take money and commitment simply to make a KMC level chain and I'm betting the break-even retail price at the start would have to be $100 each. Making stuff like chains is where the US made it's mark 100+ years ago but who wants to make that investment now to make something as sexy (yeah, right) as a dirty bicycle chain.

It would be nice, I am not crying out for it but would love to see companies with good manufacturing and getting stuff more locally (including raw materials) would be nice. It is not totally realistic but possible.

This is veering to politics and will get shut down but

Reality is that needed manufacturing infrastructure is not in place in every country to build every thing. A bicycle component specific example is Rene Herse Cranks, Rene Herse build some parts in Washington state, but there is not a single facility in the United states that can forge cranks in the way they require so the cranks are made in Japan

2 other realities very few complex items, say cars as an example are single country origin, even Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, parts from from us, canada, mexico and all parts of the world I just bought a subaru...45% us parts, rest Japan and other places and assembled in the US this is typical

the biggest reality, manufacturing has moved off shore to decrease costs or in some cases becuase of best technical expertise (TSMC for semi conductors as an example) why: because people do not or will not pay a higher price for more "made in USA"

Paul, White industries, Phill wood, Chris King and others make parts in the USA all are premium parts and cost more, So you could start start with a custom frame (but no us manufacture makes bike frame tubing anymore), pick components from those guys, rims from velocity and get close to a USA bike