Should headlights be red?
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Should headlights be red?
In my search for a new flashlight I noticed that they have bright red LED flashlights. Red, it is said, does not decrease your night vision as much as white. I wonder if a red head light, or a bright red mixed with a bit of white would not be the best for seeing obstacals, both in the beam of light and outside it, at night.
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They is enough other white light, street lights, cars, moon, buildings, that you your eyes will never become accustomed to the red ight. It takes total darkness for several minutes for the effect to take hold. And like the others have stated it will confuse motorists. Red for the back.
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Red also has very little throw, so it would be impractical for such a light to be used as a headlight along with the very low color rendition all of the road will seem like a smooth blanket of red. Besides, red is only approved for brake lights for emergency lights so you will get a ticket.
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Here in Texas, red lights in the front are reserved only for emergency vehicles, or hazard warning systems. Plus its hard to see much with them in front of you unless you are using IR goggles.
I'd just keep the red lights in the back, buy yourself a good white light. I picked up a pretty good front headlight for about $20 that can easily handle 100+ hours of lighting per four AA batteries, and the light can be set to flash in the day to further add to visibility.
I'd just keep the red lights in the back, buy yourself a good white light. I picked up a pretty good front headlight for about $20 that can easily handle 100+ hours of lighting per four AA batteries, and the light can be set to flash in the day to further add to visibility.
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Not so much that as one that wouldn't work, technically or customarily, for all of the reasons stated above. I hope you'r not going to be a barnstormer trying it out. Risking yourself is one thing, but the possibility of confusing other road users is extremely high.
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Check the laws in your area ... chances are red headlights are illegal.
Incidentally, if you are currently using flashlights as your headlights ... do yourself a favor and invest in a good bicycle headlight.
Incidentally, if you are currently using flashlights as your headlights ... do yourself a favor and invest in a good bicycle headlight.
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Originally Posted by geo8rge
In my search for a new flashlight I noticed that they have bright red LED flashlights. Red, it is said, does not decrease your night vision as much as white. I wonder if a red head light, or a bright red mixed with a bit of white would not be the best for seeing obstacals, both in the beam of light and outside it, at night.
I have used a bright red led to read by when it was the only light available, & it was ok, but as others say, other road users don't expect it on the front of a bike.
So, have you found anything suitable, & are you swapping it around your bikes, or do you only ride a particular one at night?
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Yes, and pilots use red landing lights at night. Not.
If it's really dark, you want to be able to read something and still want to see stuff - like stars- in the dark, you want to use a very low intensity red light.
And no, you shouldn't use one on the front of a bike because people will think you are a wrong way cyclist or they may not see the light until they have invalidated your third dimension.
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Just for the record I do not use a red headlight. I wonder if you could combine red and white leds to get a superior beam (brighter with less loss of night vision), that would comply with laws and common sense.
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Just for the record I do not use a red headlight. I wonder if you could combine red and white leds to get a superior beam (brighter with less loss of night vision), that would comply with laws and common sense.
According to the province of Alberta Traffic Act:
https://www.qp.gov.ab.ca/documents/Re...sbn=0779717090
Part 1, Division 1: Headlamps (to define what a headlamp is)
(4) The light from a headlamp must be white, and the lens and bulb of the headlamp must be made of clear, untinted glazing.
(5) A person shall not attach or apply anything that colours the light from a headlamp to the headlamp, part of the headlamp or a bulb in the headlamps.
Part 4, Division 3: Bicycles (to apply this to bicycles)
Bicycle equipment
99(1) A person shall not ride a bicycle at night time unless the bicycle has the following:
(a) at least one headlamp but not more than 2 headlamps;
(b) at least one red tail lamp;
(c) at least one red reflector mounted on the rear.
Therefore, combining red and white lights for a headlamp on your bicycle would not be legally permitted in Alberta. You should check your own highway traffic act to see exactly what it says about lighting and bicycles before you proceed.
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Originally Posted by geo8rge
Just for the record I do not use a red headlight. I wonder if you could combine red and white leds to get a superior beam (brighter with less loss of night vision), that would comply with laws and common sense.
NO.
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The reason why the INSTRUMENT lights might be red on aircraft is so that light pollution in the cockpit doesn't interfere with the pilot's ability to see outside (a) when ambient light requires wide-open pupils and (b) so they can see clearly when using their WHITE lights to land and take off.
If red was a solution of greater visibility, do you not think the motor vehicle industry would have put something in place before now.
Oh, and the definition of a WHITE light for headlamps/lights on vehicles, including bicycles, has always bemused me in terms of the BLUE light cast by LEDs... leading me to think that technically they could be interpreted as being illegal.
If red was a solution of greater visibility, do you not think the motor vehicle industry would have put something in place before now.
Oh, and the definition of a WHITE light for headlamps/lights on vehicles, including bicycles, has always bemused me in terms of the BLUE light cast by LEDs... leading me to think that technically they could be interpreted as being illegal.
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White light has red as a component. What I was thinking was if you took red and mixed it with the other colors or white you could get a 'superior' beam that would both illuminate the road and preserve night vision.
For example you could mount white lights low and mostly horizontal on the fork, and a red pointing down from the handle bars. The beams would be focused on the same point.
This is all speculation of course.
For example you could mount white lights low and mostly horizontal on the fork, and a red pointing down from the handle bars. The beams would be focused on the same point.
This is all speculation of course.
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Originally Posted by geo8rge
Just for the record I do not use a red headlight. I wonder if you could combine red and white leds to get a superior beam (brighter with less loss of night vision), that would comply with laws and common sense.
Since you are already using a white light with lots of shorter wavelength light in it, adding red won't do anything. The best thing to do is just add more light (white) and overwelm the darkness
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ahh, red is for reading, not riding
you need yellow spectrum to see well on tar or trails,
red slices thru fog, yellow does too. but yellow provides
more return light you can use to navigate with.
pure white like HID is good too, but anything with too
much blue will be poor in the rain or fog. yellow/white is overall
the best, HID is great because there is so much light it works
no mattah what. blue is garbage for any wet or foggy condition
(blue is scattered by water and you get less return photons, though
if someone else has blue, you can see then miles away, they just
can't see much of their own light coming back)
I've tried red headlights before, while trying to photograph the
critters at out the cabin in teh woods....it is doable but crappy
you would need 4x lumens
to be able to navigate at speed if using red. that means too much
battery and light to be practical.
besides, red is for the rear, in 99.999999% of the world.
you need yellow spectrum to see well on tar or trails,
red slices thru fog, yellow does too. but yellow provides
more return light you can use to navigate with.
pure white like HID is good too, but anything with too
much blue will be poor in the rain or fog. yellow/white is overall
the best, HID is great because there is so much light it works
no mattah what. blue is garbage for any wet or foggy condition
(blue is scattered by water and you get less return photons, though
if someone else has blue, you can see then miles away, they just
can't see much of their own light coming back)
I've tried red headlights before, while trying to photograph the
critters at out the cabin in teh woods....it is doable but crappy
you would need 4x lumens
to be able to navigate at speed if using red. that means too much
battery and light to be practical.
besides, red is for the rear, in 99.999999% of the world.





Red doesn't screw up your night vision, which takes upwards of half an hour to truly "engage".