Can a city really ban cars from its streets?
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No, of course not. I was just gently understating the situation when I said "may object". Surely they would object and probably would sue the city if it tried to cut off their access by car, based on property rights. But the city can do what I said in my example -- create a bike lane, even if it requires prohibiting on-street parking along that side of the street. And it probably would win a lawsuit if it removed a traffic lane and made the street 1-way so the empty lane could be used for a class 1 bike path. Cities must have changed 2-way streets into 1-way to re-route traffic patterns in some cases. There has to be a political will and rational basis to justify it.
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A municipality changing a traffic pattern or on street parking is one thing, permanently prohibiting motor traffic on a residential street over the homeowners' objections is an altogether different situation and extremely unlikely to occur anywhere in the U.S. in the foreseeable future.
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A municipality changing a traffic pattern or on street parking is one thing, permanently prohibiting motor traffic on a residential street over the homeowners' objections is an altogether different situation and extremely unlikely to occur anywhere in the U.S. in the foreseeable future.
New Bike Lanes Help Steer Cyclists To Chicago Bike Week Rally « CBS Chicago
or this one:
Will CDOT and CTA Launch ?True BRT? on the Central Loop Corridor? | Streetsblog Chicago
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I know of many a downtown area that did away with car traffic for several blocks, in many cases it has since been reversed. Don't recall any residential areas. I believe that the pedestrian mall in downtown Iowa City used to be city streets quite a few years ago, they are also talking about increasing the amount of the mall area ie: restricting traffic and in some cases removing it all together.
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No argument. But the city could remove a car lane, still leaving at least 1-way access by car, and use that lane for bikes, with a barrier between traffic and bike lanes, like this one in Chicago:
New Bike Lanes Help Steer Cyclists To Chicago Bike Week Rally « CBS Chicago
or this one:
Will CDOT and CTA Launch ?True BRT? on the Central Loop Corridor? | Streetsblog Chicago
New Bike Lanes Help Steer Cyclists To Chicago Bike Week Rally « CBS Chicago
or this one:
Will CDOT and CTA Launch ?True BRT? on the Central Loop Corridor? | Streetsblog Chicago
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It can be done in the US, but in order to accomplish it a group will have to organize and develop a Transportation Restricted Community. As a new development built through private dollars the organization should be able to form a clause that restricts the use and purpose of transportation used in the community.
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At the other end of the block on that residential street, the ingress side of the street is similarly blocked but the egress side is unchanged. Residents have access from a side street, to the 1-way street, which used to be a normal 2-way street. The city is doing a similar blockage and re-routing at 2 other streets where a large medical clinic is under construction, so patients would only be able to reach the clinic from the main frontage, not through a residential neighborhood. If the city can do this for traffic flow, they can do similar things for bicycle routes.
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It can be done in the US, but in order to accomplish it a group will have to organize and develop a Transportation Restricted Community. As a new development built through private dollars the organization should be able to form a clause that restricts the use and purpose of transportation used in the community.
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No but Freiberg on the Rhine has some developments that do .. there is, as I understand ,
parking but its not directly in front of the building ..
parking but its not directly in front of the building ..
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New bike-friendly 'micro-apartments': 200 square feet and no car parking | BikePortland.org
So they aren't for 'homeowners' but they don't provide parking places for the apartment residents.
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Not quite what you asked for, but Portland is building some apartment buildings without car parking spaces:
New bike-friendly 'micro-apartments': 200 square feet and no car parking | BikePortland.org
So they aren't for 'homeowners' but they don't provide parking places for the apartment residents.
New bike-friendly 'micro-apartments': 200 square feet and no car parking | BikePortland.org
So they aren't for 'homeowners' but they don't provide parking places for the apartment residents.
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Can you provide a law that would prohibit me from using private dollars from developing what ever I would like in the US? If I want a car free community, I would use private dollars to purchase land that would be redeveloped into a private community. As a private community you can provide restrictions as long as you can sell others on that idea, and have them buy into the development. So unless you can provide me with a law in the US that prohibits private development for a specif population, I will stand by it can be done.
I am not a believer that the government is the only entity that can impact change. I would rather develop from scratch than spend 50 years trying to convince others to live with my life style choice.
I believe the current legal term in the US for a private community is GATED. READ
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Can you provide a law that would prohibit me from using private dollars from developing what ever I would like in the US? If I want a car free community, I would use private dollars to purchase land that would be redeveloped into a private community. As a private community you can provide restrictions as long as you can sell others on that idea, and have them buy into the development. So unless you can provide me with a law in the US that prohibits private development for a specif population, I will stand by it can be done.
I am not a believer that the government is the only entity that can impact change. I would rather develop from scratch than spend 50 years trying to convince others to live with my life style choice.
I believe the current legal term in the US for a private community is GATED. READ
I am not a believer that the government is the only entity that can impact change. I would rather develop from scratch than spend 50 years trying to convince others to live with my life style choice.
I believe the current legal term in the US for a private community is GATED. READ
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Not quite what you asked for, but Portland is building some apartment buildings without car parking spaces:
New bike-friendly 'micro-apartments': 200 square feet and no car parking | BikePortland.org
So they aren't for 'homeowners' but they don't provide parking places for the apartment residents.
New bike-friendly 'micro-apartments': 200 square feet and no car parking | BikePortland.org
So they aren't for 'homeowners' but they don't provide parking places for the apartment residents.
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the car, thanks to the pay to play politics of how elections are run, got the US torn down and rebuilt
around driving in a privatized transportation product ..
around driving in a privatized transportation product ..
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Perhaps in some future paradise...(the rest deleted by me) Reason: to leave the OT political and anti-motoring chatter to others.
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or the Judge in finding the collusion of Standard Oil, Firestone and GM , in the Guilty judgement from the Bench
said "now rebuild it" instead of a slap on the wrist Microfine for destroying US public trolley systems in major cities
Immediately after WW2.. which was The bomb maker but not actually bombed in the war..
Europe Used the Marshall Plan funds after the same War to rebuild their Tram systems .
ist the Corruption of Money in the US political system infecting the whole scheme.
Wouldn't you want to be the co owner and managing partner in your job?
and the company that pays you?
said "now rebuild it" instead of a slap on the wrist Microfine for destroying US public trolley systems in major cities
Immediately after WW2.. which was The bomb maker but not actually bombed in the war..
Europe Used the Marshall Plan funds after the same War to rebuild their Tram systems .
ist the Corruption of Money in the US political system infecting the whole scheme.
Wouldn't you want to be the co owner and managing partner in your job?
and the company that pays you?
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Actual if you think it is a dream, thank you.
I would actually rather spend my time doing what I like to do. While others want to talk about subsidies and government money, I would rather work on a project that will be accomplished in five years, I just assume you have some type of plan and goal for yourself.
Once a goal is developed, it allows for a vision, which can be developed in both words and visual media. While I am not sure what you do, I know that once I can describe my idea and explain it in the language that the intended party uses I have a really high success rate. Yup I have a dream, like the individuals before me I have a dream that will allow for something different to be developed. I did not use weird or strange, I said different, and if you can not respect a difference in opinion on this. I will wish you a good year and may you find happiness in the same place you have always found it.
Freedom is also a dream and has been a focus for many books written over the years. Just remember that dreams are what actually count, because I would rather live to pursue my dream than live to the dream of my ancestors.
change is scary, exciting, and frustrating which is why I am looking forward to the next change.
I would actually rather spend my time doing what I like to do. While others want to talk about subsidies and government money, I would rather work on a project that will be accomplished in five years, I just assume you have some type of plan and goal for yourself.
Once a goal is developed, it allows for a vision, which can be developed in both words and visual media. While I am not sure what you do, I know that once I can describe my idea and explain it in the language that the intended party uses I have a really high success rate. Yup I have a dream, like the individuals before me I have a dream that will allow for something different to be developed. I did not use weird or strange, I said different, and if you can not respect a difference in opinion on this. I will wish you a good year and may you find happiness in the same place you have always found it.
Freedom is also a dream and has been a focus for many books written over the years. Just remember that dreams are what actually count, because I would rather live to pursue my dream than live to the dream of my ancestors.
change is scary, exciting, and frustrating which is why I am looking forward to the next change.
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Actual if you think it is a dream, thank you.
I would actually rather spend my time doing what I like to do. While others want to talk about subsidies and government money, I would rather work on a project that will be accomplished in five years, I just assume you have some type of plan and goal for yourself.
Once a goal is developed, it allows for a vision, which can be developed in both words and visual media. While I am not sure what you do, I know that once I can describe my idea and explain it in the language that the intended party uses I have a really high success rate. Yup I have a dream, like the individuals before me I have a dream that will allow for something different to be developed. I did not use weird or strange, I said different, and if you can not respect a difference in opinion on this. I will wish you a good year and may you find happiness in the same place you have always found it.
Freedom is also a dream and has been a focus for many books written over the years. Just remember that dreams are what actually count, because I would rather live to pursue my dream than live to the dream of my ancestors.
change is scary, exciting, and frustrating which is why I am looking forward to the next change.
I would actually rather spend my time doing what I like to do. While others want to talk about subsidies and government money, I would rather work on a project that will be accomplished in five years, I just assume you have some type of plan and goal for yourself.
Once a goal is developed, it allows for a vision, which can be developed in both words and visual media. While I am not sure what you do, I know that once I can describe my idea and explain it in the language that the intended party uses I have a really high success rate. Yup I have a dream, like the individuals before me I have a dream that will allow for something different to be developed. I did not use weird or strange, I said different, and if you can not respect a difference in opinion on this. I will wish you a good year and may you find happiness in the same place you have always found it.
Freedom is also a dream and has been a focus for many books written over the years. Just remember that dreams are what actually count, because I would rather live to pursue my dream than live to the dream of my ancestors.
change is scary, exciting, and frustrating which is why I am looking forward to the next change.
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Really is that all you can really come up with? Wow, I really had much higher expectations from you.
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I didn't say that your dreamy no motor vehicles allowed housing development idea could not be built. The reality is that nobody has done so and nobody will unless they (government or private investors) wish to build a residential housing development with few if any residents.
I suspect that a car-free development could also have a host of people flocking to it, and I might just be one of them. However, it will have to be built in a region that has a culture in which people do not fear setting trends. I think that means Iowa and other flyover states won't see any such thing until long after you are gone.
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If so, I guess anything is possible then in housing development trends with such an analysis.
Edit: The Village Homes in Davis that can be found on the Web does have streets with the homes on various cul-de-sacs and the owners do have auto access to their homes. What it doesn't have is sidewalks.
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Are you referring to the THREE homes built 40 years ago in Davis that you mentioned previously in this thread as Village Homes? That is your idea of a successful car free residential housing development? And the history of these three houses demonstrate the likely success ("host of people flocking to it") for future housing development projects in the U.S.?
If so, I guess anything is possible then in housing development trends with such an analysis.
Edit: The Village Homes in Davis that can be found on the Web does have streets with the homes on various cul-de-sacs and the owners do have auto access to their homes. What it doesn't have is sidewalks.
If so, I guess anything is possible then in housing development trends with such an analysis.
Edit: The Village Homes in Davis that can be found on the Web does have streets with the homes on various cul-de-sacs and the owners do have auto access to their homes. What it doesn't have is sidewalks.
Also, a guy on BF once mentioned that he lived in central Boston and had to pay to park at a structure a couple blocks from his apartment.
My point is, you keep saying that no "carfree" housing development could ever be commercially viable in America. But it looks to me like millions of people already live in carfree housing, and pay some of the highest rents in the country for that carfree privilege.
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Are you referring to the THREE homes built 40 years ago in Davis that you mentioned previously in this thread as Village Homes? That is your idea of a successful car free residential housing development? And the history of these three houses demonstrate the likely success ("host of people flocking to it") for future housing development projects in the U.S.?
If so, I guess anything is possible then in housing development trends with such an analysis.
Edit: The Village Homes in Davis that can be found on the Web does have streets with the homes on various cul-de-sacs and the owners do have auto access to their homes. What it doesn't have is sidewalks.
If so, I guess anything is possible then in housing development trends with such an analysis.
Edit: The Village Homes in Davis that can be found on the Web does have streets with the homes on various cul-de-sacs and the owners do have auto access to their homes. What it doesn't have is sidewalks.
I did not describe Village Homes as a car-free development. I said that it introduced several novel features in a suburban housing development that many naysayers thought would cause it to fail. Rather than fail, it has been a longstanding success.
Those same sort of people who couldn't see the appeal of something like Village Homes (and likely didn't see any advantage to developing textiles, agriculture or housing of any sort in our species' past), can be found naysaying the notion of car-free developments today. Rational people will ignore them, as usual, and we will move on. Times change, People learn. Often, we apply what we learn and try new things. Some of them improve the human condition. Curmudgeons complain every step of the way and attempt to belittle those who articulate a better tomorrow. By all means, please continue to fill your role.