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#1651
Still can't climb
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Limey in Taiwan
so why did charles and velo vol keep saying the shortest day has passed?
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#1652
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From: Colorado
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Okay, I'll see how it plays out.
#1653
Still can't climb
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Limey in Taiwan
i was driving this evening and i saw so many dumb cyclists i nearly yelled at them. in the darkness, someone was wearing all black, no lights or reflectors and going through a red light AND crossing a crossroads (i.e. cut in front of all the traffic). i didn't see him until he nearly hit another car and got hooted at. deathwish.
and he was not wearing a helmet.
and he was not wearing a helmet.
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coasting, few quotes are worthy of him, and of those, even fewer printable in a family forum......quote 3alarmer
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#1655
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From: Colorado
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/sigh
I find this super stressful.
#1656
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From: Long Island, NY
Bikes: '85 Rossin Super Record, '88 Specialized Sequoia, '10 Raleigh Cadent FT2, '10 Specialized Roubaix Elite
The shortest day (amount of daylight) is the winter solstice. However, as of yesterday (or the day before), the sun will set later and later until next summer. However later sunset doesn't amount to more daylight because for a while the sun will rise later and offset any daylight gained by the later setting sun.
#1657
Still can't climb
Joined: Sep 2006
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From: Limey in Taiwan
The shortest day (amount of daylight) is the winter solstice. However, as of yesterday (or the day before), the sun will set later and later until next summer. However later sunset doesn't amount to more sunset because for a while the sun will rise later and offset any daylight gained by the later setting sun.
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#1659
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From: Colorado
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I don't want to cancel and start again because they're not on sale like they were.
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#1661
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Damn, dude. I want my wheels. This is turning out to be such a hassle. I really hope it works out, or I'll have to spend a lot more for similar wheels.
#1662
Mostly Harmless




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My Black Friday online shopping misadventure ended today. It was not as stressful as mz's.
#1663
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From: Long Island, NY
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Not me...VV, but he's right. I didn't believe it either.
From Wiki, the SUNSET entry:
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From Wiki, the SUNSET entry:
Occurrence
The time of sunset varies throughout the year, and is determined by the viewer's position on Earth, specified by longitude and latitude, and elevation. Small daily changes and noticeable semi-annual changes in the timing of sunsets are driven by the axial tilt of Earth, daily rotation of the Earth, the planet's movement in its annual elliptical orbit around the Sun, and the Earth and Moon's paired revolutions around each other. In the summertime, the days get longer and sunsets occur later every day until the day of the latest sunset, which occurs after the summer solstice. In the Northern Hemisphere, the latest sunset occurs late in June or in early July, but not on the summer solstice of June 21. This date depends on the viewer's latitude (connected with the slower Earth's movement around the aphelion around July 4). Similarly, the earliest sunset does not occur on the winter solstice, but rather about two weeks earlier, again depending on the viewer's latitude. In the Northern Hemisphere it occurs in early December (influence from the Earth's faster movement near the perihelion which occurs around January 3).
Likewise, the same phenomenon exists in the Southern Hemisphere, but with the respective dates reversed, with the earliest sunsets occurring some time before June 21 in winter, and latest sunsets occurring some time after December 21 in summer, again depending on one's southern latitude. For one or two weeks surrounding both solstices, both sunrise and sunset get slightly later or earlier each day. Even on the equator, sunrise and sunset shift several minutes back and forth through the year, along with solar noon. These effects are plotted by an analemma.
The time of sunset varies throughout the year, and is determined by the viewer's position on Earth, specified by longitude and latitude, and elevation. Small daily changes and noticeable semi-annual changes in the timing of sunsets are driven by the axial tilt of Earth, daily rotation of the Earth, the planet's movement in its annual elliptical orbit around the Sun, and the Earth and Moon's paired revolutions around each other. In the summertime, the days get longer and sunsets occur later every day until the day of the latest sunset, which occurs after the summer solstice. In the Northern Hemisphere, the latest sunset occurs late in June or in early July, but not on the summer solstice of June 21. This date depends on the viewer's latitude (connected with the slower Earth's movement around the aphelion around July 4). Similarly, the earliest sunset does not occur on the winter solstice, but rather about two weeks earlier, again depending on the viewer's latitude. In the Northern Hemisphere it occurs in early December (influence from the Earth's faster movement near the perihelion which occurs around January 3).
Likewise, the same phenomenon exists in the Southern Hemisphere, but with the respective dates reversed, with the earliest sunsets occurring some time before June 21 in winter, and latest sunsets occurring some time after December 21 in summer, again depending on one's southern latitude. For one or two weeks surrounding both solstices, both sunrise and sunset get slightly later or earlier each day. Even on the equator, sunrise and sunset shift several minutes back and forth through the year, along with solar noon. These effects are plotted by an analemma.
Why does sunset start getting later before the winter solstice?
It's actually a trick of timekeeping; the days are still getting shorter, but the Sun also RISES later, in addition to setting a minute or two later.
Part of it has to do with the fact that the Earth isn't in a perfectly circular orbit around the Sun; all orbits are elliptical. The Earth reaches its perihelion around January 4 each year, so for the couple of months before then, the Earth is actually speeding up a little in its orbit. Because the Earth is moving (just a little!) faster in December but still rotating at exactly the same speed, the Sun appears to rise and set a couple of minutes earlier than expected.
It's actually a trick of timekeeping; the days are still getting shorter, but the Sun also RISES later, in addition to setting a minute or two later.
Part of it has to do with the fact that the Earth isn't in a perfectly circular orbit around the Sun; all orbits are elliptical. The Earth reaches its perihelion around January 4 each year, so for the couple of months before then, the Earth is actually speeding up a little in its orbit. Because the Earth is moving (just a little!) faster in December but still rotating at exactly the same speed, the Sun appears to rise and set a couple of minutes earlier than expected.
#1664
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#1667
Should Be More Popular




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I am glad they finally moved that "I shave and my gf does not" thread to trollheim where it belongs.
#1668
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#1670
Administrator



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Somebody probably complained. Things get done when people "SAY something". (PSA)
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#1673
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#1674
Mostly Harmless




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