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Old 12-08-10 | 03:47 PM
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so why did charles and velo vol keep saying the shortest day has passed?
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Old 12-08-10 | 03:56 PM
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Talk to a supervisor and explain your situation, you'd be surprised what they'll do to have a happy customer. I got that 'cross frame for 20% of the asking price after they messed up my order.
Okay, I'll see how it plays out.
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Are they talking about spectators feeding the cyclists? You know, like don't feed the bears?
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Old 12-08-10 | 03:57 PM
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i was driving this evening and i saw so many dumb cyclists i nearly yelled at them. in the darkness, someone was wearing all black, no lights or reflectors and going through a red light AND crossing a crossroads (i.e. cut in front of all the traffic). i didn't see him until he nearly hit another car and got hooted at. deathwish.

and he was not wearing a helmet.
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Old 12-08-10 | 03:59 PM
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Okay, I'll see how it plays out.
Yep. The retail stores themselves kind of suck, but I've always heard good things about their customer service department. They should make it right.
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:05 PM
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Yep. The retail stores themselves kind of suck, but I've always heard good things about their customer service department. They should make it right.
The woman said she'll call me tomorrow with an update after she speaks to the credit dept.

/sigh

I find this super stressful.
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:05 PM
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so why did charles and velo vol keep saying the shortest day has passed?
The shortest day (amount of daylight) is the winter solstice. However, as of yesterday (or the day before), the sun will set later and later until next summer. However later sunset doesn't amount to more daylight because for a while the sun will rise later and offset any daylight gained by the later setting sun.
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:06 PM
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The shortest day (amount of daylight) is the winter solstice. However, as of yesterday (or the day before), the sun will set later and later until next summer. However later sunset doesn't amount to more sunset because for a while the sun will rise later and offset any daylight gained by the later setting sun.
get out of town! you making stuff up?
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by mzeffex
The woman said she'll call me tomorrow with an update after she speaks to the credit dept.

/sigh

I find this super stressful.
Have you been charged yet? Why don't you just cancel the order and start again
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:09 PM
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Have you been charged yet? Why don't you just cancel the order and start again
I don't know if I've been charged and my mom doesn't know how to check her CC, but I'm guessing no.

I don't want to cancel and start again because they're not on sale like they were.
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mzeffex
I don't know if I've been charged and my mom doesn't know how to check her CC, but I'm guessing no.

I don't want to cancel and start again because they're not on sale like they were.
Just let it work itself out. You should be fine. Wheels aren't even back in stock. However I just looked and mine are in stock, and should ship in a few hours hopefuly.
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:25 PM
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Just let it work itself out. You should be fine. Wheels aren't even back in stock. However I just looked and mine are in stock, and should ship in a few hours hopefuly.
Damn, dude. I want my wheels. This is turning out to be such a hassle. I really hope it works out, or I'll have to spend a lot more for similar wheels.
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:26 PM
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by coasting
get out of town! you making stuff up?
Not me...VV, but he's right. I didn't believe it either.

From Wiki, the SUNSET entry:

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The time of sunset varies throughout the year, and is determined by the viewer's position on Earth, specified by longitude and latitude, and elevation. Small daily changes and noticeable semi-annual changes in the timing of sunsets are driven by the axial tilt of Earth, daily rotation of the Earth, the planet's movement in its annual elliptical orbit around the Sun, and the Earth and Moon's paired revolutions around each other. In the summertime, the days get longer and sunsets occur later every day until the day of the latest sunset, which occurs after the summer solstice. In the Northern Hemisphere, the latest sunset occurs late in June or in early July, but not on the summer solstice of June 21. This date depends on the viewer's latitude (connected with the slower Earth's movement around the aphelion around July 4). Similarly, the earliest sunset does not occur on the winter solstice, but rather about two weeks earlier, again depending on the viewer's latitude. In the Northern Hemisphere it occurs in early December (influence from the Earth's faster movement near the perihelion which occurs around January 3).

Likewise, the same phenomenon exists in the Southern Hemisphere, but with the respective dates reversed, with the earliest sunsets occurring some time before June 21 in winter, and latest sunsets occurring some time after December 21 in summer, again depending on one's southern latitude. For one or two weeks surrounding both solstices, both sunrise and sunset get slightly later or earlier each day. Even on the equator, sunrise and sunset shift several minutes back and forth through the year, along with solar noon. These effects are plotted by an analemma.
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Why does sunset start getting later before the winter solstice?

It's actually a trick of timekeeping; the days are still getting shorter, but the Sun also RISES later, in addition to setting a minute or two later.

Part of it has to do with the fact that the Earth isn't in a perfectly circular orbit around the Sun; all orbits are elliptical. The Earth reaches its perihelion around January 4 each year, so for the couple of months before then, the Earth is actually speeding up a little in its orbit. Because the Earth is moving (just a little!) faster in December but still rotating at exactly the same speed, the Sun appears to rise and set a couple of minutes earlier than expected.
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Old 12-08-10 | 04:58 PM
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Old 12-08-10 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by coasting
so why did charles and velo vol keep saying the shortest day has passed?
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Old 12-08-10 | 05:11 PM
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RIP Mike Vitez.

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Old 12-08-10 | 05:12 PM
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Old 12-08-10 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Your math teacher died?
8th grade math teacher and my high school Tennis coach (I don't play tennis though). He was 46.
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Old 12-08-10 | 05:17 PM
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45F here. Heat wave!
69F here, and to think i was shivering due to the "cold" weather.
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Old 12-08-10 | 05:23 PM
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I am glad they finally moved that "I shave and my gf does not" thread to trollheim where it belongs.
Somebody probably complained. Things get done when people "SAY something". (PSA)
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Old 12-08-10 | 05:39 PM
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8th grade math teacher and my high school Tennis coach (I don't play tennis though). He was 46.
Sorry to hear that. Such a loss is even worse when we lose a good role model for students.
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Dead thread is dead.
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Old 12-08-10 | 07:13 PM
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Dead thread is dead.
It's not dead. It's just resting.
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Maybe people will regain their interest after the winter solstice.
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