Is La Vuelta > Giro d'italia ?
08-22-23, 01:43 AM
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Sidebar comment that the whole "top riders" thing we're waxing lyrically about here is specifically GC contenders. The sprinters and stage hunters and such have MUCH less problem doing back to back Grand Tours. And another angle in the "which GT is best" thing has got to include at least a little bit of attention to those that will never win the pink/yellow/red jersey at the end but sure liven up the proceedings. There have been some interesting experiments on the margins at the Giro and Vuelta that impact their attractiveness to various types of riders.
Even for the GC contenders, the decision of which GT(s) to pursue has to consider the parcours.
But back to the big hand waves for the top GC riders. Yes, absolutely, going to the Giro is signing away the chance to compete for the win at the Tour. And yes, it does seem far more folks do the Vuelta as Plan B than do the Giro as Plan B, because plans have had more opportunities to derail and recover. I still don't co-sign that a few extra folks on their plan B translates into overwhelming Giro-crushing premium head-to-head match ups. But I'm looking forward to seeing how this one goes and who is showing up in the spring with pink on their minds.
The race starts in a week. Yay. TTT around Barcelona. I'll be there at the end of Sept. Too bad I couldn't time it better!
Even for the GC contenders, the decision of which GT(s) to pursue has to consider the parcours.
But back to the big hand waves for the top GC riders. Yes, absolutely, going to the Giro is signing away the chance to compete for the win at the Tour. And yes, it does seem far more folks do the Vuelta as Plan B than do the Giro as Plan B, because plans have had more opportunities to derail and recover. I still don't co-sign that a few extra folks on their plan B translates into overwhelming Giro-crushing premium head-to-head match ups. But I'm looking forward to seeing how this one goes and who is showing up in the spring with pink on their minds.
The race starts in a week. Yay. TTT around Barcelona. I'll be there at the end of Sept. Too bad I couldn't time it better!
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08-24-23, 12:51 AM
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08-24-23, 11:40 AM
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My Spanish is better than my Italian, so I'm more of a Vuelta fan than Giro.
08-24-23, 04:26 PM
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wanna say us postal/discovery did it semi-recently with he who shall not be named, heras and salvodelli at one point. could be wrong as usual.
hoping foss rides la vuelta for team jv as well but have lost track of his "programme" and where he stands for the rest of the year. pretty sure seppuku has earned the vuelta time off. would love to see him ride it tho.
hoping foss rides la vuelta for team jv as well but have lost track of his "programme" and where he stands for the rest of the year. pretty sure seppuku has earned the vuelta time off. would love to see him ride it tho.
I suspect that Primoz is Plan A for Jumbo. JV is for TTT and insurance. If Primoz takes the leader's jersey, I foresee Jonas parking on Remco's wheel.
My hopes are that this race has some surprises, and that I can watch some of it (unlike the Worlds)
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08-25-23, 02:57 AM
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wanna see almeida and vine ride for ayuso and see what the kid can do. last year's vuelta was impressive.
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Best Grand tour I have ever watched: 2012 Giro when Ryder Hesjadal came from behind on the final stage time trial to take the win
Second best: and a very close second 2013 Vuelta when Chris Horner fought Vincenso Nibali in a see saw nail biting battle only decided on the slopes of the Angliru at the very end of the tour. The Tour de France is a great race, But I have to say that I find the Giro and the Vuelta to be more interesting
Second best: and a very close second 2013 Vuelta when Chris Horner fought Vincenso Nibali in a see saw nail biting battle only decided on the slopes of the Angliru at the very end of the tour. The Tour de France is a great race, But I have to say that I find the Giro and the Vuelta to be more interesting
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[QUOTE=USAZorro;22994518]Savoldelli. - That was 2005.
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based on both the 2023 versions, would hafta say yes.
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wanna say us postal/discovery did it semi-recently with he who shall not be named, heras and salvodelli at one point. could be wrong as usual.
hoping foss rides la vuelta for team jv as well but have lost track of his "programme" and where he stands for the rest of the year. pretty sure seppuku has earned the vuelta time off. would love to see him ride it tho.
hoping foss rides la vuelta for team jv as well but have lost track of his "programme" and where he stands for the rest of the year. pretty sure seppuku has earned the vuelta time off. would love to see him ride it tho.
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I really wish he had launched that attack on the second to last climb before the Angliru, there was tons of power and he held the time gap to Remco/catanneo(sp?) pretty steady by himself on the flat. I pay the yearly GCN+VPN subscription to watch Soler doing wild things though, not riding in wheels.
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Woulda made a big difference I think, remember Almeida plodding past Ayuso on the Angliru? What if Vine had been there?
I really wish he had launched that attack on the second to last climb before the Angliru, there was tons of power and he held the time gap to Remco/catanneo(sp?) pretty steady by himself on the flat. I pay the yearly GCN+VPN subscription to watch Soler doing wild things though, not riding in wheels.
I really wish he had launched that attack on the second to last climb before the Angliru, there was tons of power and he held the time gap to Remco/catanneo(sp?) pretty steady by himself on the flat. I pay the yearly GCN+VPN subscription to watch Soler doing wild things though, not riding in wheels.
