dstrong 

What's stopping the TdF organization from banning Team Radio Shack from this year's race? They now have new implications that the Director and at least one of the riders have been involved in doping. Aren't they more of a "Guilty until proven innocent" kind of group?

Dubbayoo

I think they're more concerned with finding reasons to keep Vino out of the Tour. Have they even kept Valverde out?

rogwilco

I think the USA are too important for them as a market to do that unless Armstrong himself gets caught with a current, legally enforcable, test.
Technically nothing is stopping them, they can invite whoever they like, but bottomline is: Armstrong is good for business.

USAZorro

They seem to have made their peace with Vino. He plans on riding, and ASO said he could.

botto 

group? no. legal system? yes.

Grumpy McTrumpy

has this been posted yet?

https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/team...ls-from-landis

Quel

https://www.livestrong.com/teamradioshack/

The Team RadioShack lawyers dropped some bombs. Released some emails Floyd sent around. Sounds like Floyd was trying to ride the Tour of California, going as far as having his friend ask RadioShack to let him ride with them. And then got a little pissy over the fact that all his requests were denied. Doesn't change the fact that I believe just about everyone doped, but doesn't look good for him.

therhodeo

Thats what you got out of those emails? Sounds like the opinion of an already biased person.

ElJamoquio

From what we're told, labs only have a number, they don't have an athlete's name on a vial.

Cateye

Landis is nuts.

Dubbayoo

I got the same thing he did apparently. I don't see any doubt that Floyd was trying to finagle his way into ToC. Pretty telling about Kay "taking over" Bahati Foundation then being willing AND able to keep Rahsaan off any ToC roster.

Quel

What's your take then? It makes Floyd look pretty bad, which is the whole point I guess. While he didn't directly threaten anything, his emails to the ToC organizers went back and forth between asking to get into the ToC and accusing them of allowing doping after they said no and wouldn't come to his special meeting with the USADA. It just looks bad how quickly he switched gears there, and is a situation where he made comments about the doping stance of an organizaing after not getting what he wanted, which is what the Lance side is saying he did to them.

Uncle Jams Army

Though I think Floyd is a scumbag with no credibility, I don't put much stock in what Lance did by releasing select and incomplete email threads. It's obvious his lackeys only produced some emails and admitted important portions in threads. For example, it appears Landis is responding to a Lance email where Lance threatens to sue Landis and Landis tells him to go ahead. Why don't we have Lance's email? Pretty much a bush league move.

fly:yes/land:no

i find it intersting that shack included the back and forth emails between messick and landis in a single email format (going backwards), but then modified the emails sent directly to lance so that they were in (relatively) chronological order. seems like lance said some stuff that he DOESN'T want the public to know. i wonder how much else was redacted in order to protect lance. furthermore, many of these emails were sent in confidence, and it just makes lance look like a huge *******.

of course, we can look at the comments on the shack's site and see the fanboys and girls talk about landis being crazy.

fly:yes/land:no

you beat me by a minute. but yeah, +1 to everything you said.

Quel

If Lance's twitter is to be believed, he never wrote back . Old emails, twitter accusations, I love the internet drama.

Allez3

Most telling of the e-mails:



From: Floyd Landis

Date: May 6, 2010 10:46:01 AM CDT

To: Lance Armstrong, Hess, Stephen A, Andrew Messick

Subject: Info

mr. Armstrong,

I should have included this in the last email but overlooked it. Please contact me in any of the following ways so I can give you the location at which you can serve me with papers.

I should also point out that this email trail will make a lawsuit after my public statements appear to be what it would be, a PR stunt, rather than what a lawsuit at the moment would appear to be. So once again I'd like to remind you that calling my close friends with allegations of alcoholism and insanity will be ineffective and certainly threats of "tweeting" that if I have something to say I should just say it reflect poorly on your mental well-being and maybe seeking help is a good idea for you. Of course like I've stated, a legal course is preferable.




Sorry folks. Doping or not, Landis sounds nuts at this point.

ElJamoquio

You're right. Everyone but Armstrong is clinically insane.

1slowbastard

In that email Landis is clearly replying to some sort of communication from Armstrong which Team Radioshack chose not to publish. Sounds to me like Armstrong is threatening a lawsuit.

embankmentlb

Landis may be a crazy nut job but he is not the first to make these claims about the Postal system. At some point you have to question what is the truth & who the good guys truly are.

Dubbayoo

A lawsuit is exactly what he should be threatening.

Quel

I said it a few posts before, but Lance tweeted back and forth with one of the guys from Bicycling mag today. He said that he never replied to those emails. I assume that's the truth, since Floyd could take two seconds and post his email log and disprove that if Lance was lying.

Anyways, people seem to be taking the "Landis is Crazy" or "Lance doped" side in this one. I'm taking both sides on that argument. But certainly is starting to look much worse for Landis at this point. If he did this 3-4 years ago I'd be more behind him.

DXchulo

You and me both.

It's too bad for guys like Levi, Zabriskie, Barry, etc. who didn't really deserve to be dragged into this mess.

Tom Pedale

And 2 fools (yourself & Landis) with no proof to back up your allegations..

1slowbastard

Assuming what Landis says is true, how did they not deserve to be brought into this?