True enough.. but in the case of anything but tubies I don't think they'd really make any special mention of "assembly" as they're both pretty much the same process as mounting clinchers.


ps. mmmm.. tubulars.

Anyone hittin' Toby's race tonight? What time are you hitting it?

I'm not ridding, just hanging out.



RIP Goulet....

Yeah integrated HS like keith said = badzor. Avoid. Especially in a 1k+ bike.

TJ, if by some chance you end up wanting an Electron, do be in touch (C.T. sells Argon 18 stuff). I'd love to build one of those up.

I did a couple today. Every once in a while I give it a try just for the hell of it.

Have you guys seen a lot of failed integrated headsets working as bike mechanics? Just curious, I have an integrated headset on my aluminium Specialized Roubaix and haven't had any problems with it....yet.

Heh. I played the Dollar once, at Dan Burk's Birthday party. What a coked out a-hole. But a lot of fun to watch him, staggering around all drunk, trying to get laid. If you talked to him about the gig, you probably know what I mean.

Personal experience: I had to replace the h/s on my 'cross bike awhile back (contamination lead to corrosion). There are a number of different integrated headset standards out there ... if you don't know what you have it can be a hassle trying to pick a replacement. Then there's the issue of options. In my case, there were very few. I either had POS TH Industries or Ritchey Pro. Luckily, I like the Ritchey stuff.

Edit: I'm sure Keith has some good input on the topic. I'll ask John + Phil tomorrow and see what they've come across over the years.

good to see everyone for track or treat(long time no see pyze guy, keith,etc). racing made me realize what a laZY sack i've been all summer. i'm gonna sleep good tonight!

Track or Treat - as I saw it: https://www.flickr.com/photos/fisso416/

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Oh yes.. I've met him a few times. He's a special character. We set up this show through email though, which was a little better.

https://www.crankmychain.com/2007/10/...s-crusade.html

Keith, I mentioned this photo last night... scary: https://www.flickr.com/photos/johnprolly/1760064870/

Hrm, what happened here? Looks nasty.

I'm not sure what happened... the guy who took the photo is from Brooklyn.

The shot just looks super freaky.

Super freak, super freak.
It's super freakaaaaay.

It looks like an impact because it is broken all the way around the hub, not just cracked in one spot, but then the fork looks relatively straight. Maybe once it cracks on one "spoke" the others don't have enough strength to hold up the weight of the bike/rider and that's when they all failed. All of the "spokes" failing at one time seems to unlikely says I.

Wes, I can actually make your show next week! Yay. Finally. I can't make it friday though, due to being in Montreal.

hehehe.. the new Santa Cruz 'cross bike is called "Stigmata". Reminds of Milhouse on The Simpsons.. "How come Bart gets a therapist, I'm the one with stigmata!"

What a dumb name for a bike.

My bike is called Uncle John, so I make no judgement on other bike names.

Plastic doughnuts need to be evenly spaced wes...

Yar! Be there sprints tonite?

hahaha.. they always wind up squished together somehow, so I've given up.

Ouch. I wonder if he is one of those guys who claimed "a car ran over my Aerospoke and it was fine" Yeah....it was fine until it splintered into several distinct pieces. Nothing is "bombproof" and regular inspection of parts that have been crashed or ridden hard for long period of time is a good idea.

As far as integrated h.s , I have seen a few frames that have developed damage of the frame bearing seats and a few with just plain bad construction of this critical area of the frame. With a regular headset the cups are pressed into the frame and this system has been a solid method for decades. With integrated you are using the actual frame as a bearing support and IMO (as well as others like Chris King) this is a flawed idea. Now with these bikes a toasted headset can easily screw up the frame where the good old pressed design would usually only result in the headset itself needing replacement. Having been wrenching as long as I have it was nice to see some kind of standard come into headsets with the advent of threadless. For many years you had so many different configurations...1", 1 1/4", 1 1/8" English thread...Italian thread...French thread...Swiss thread...25.4 crown....27.0 crown...and on and on. Finally the manufacturers seemed to finally agree upon 1 1/8 threadless as the industry standard but as so many other things in the bike industry "new and improved" has done away with that. On top of a flawed design, now they can't even agree upon one standard for integrated as Mike mentioned. Most of my bikes (my cross bike being the exception as I couldn't turn down the deal I got on it) have non-integrated headsets and have King's installed. All these bikes will never have a problem and will likely never need replacing. End rant.

Are you trying to say you are going to miss yer buddy's show just to go to Montreal....race in the Alleycat and/or see the Leafs lose...I mean play the Habs? Thats weak dude!