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LAJ 11-08-15 05:28 PM

That looks like a paceline to me.

LAJ 11-08-15 05:30 PM

I also think double pacelines are silly. Needlessly complicated to those that are uninformed how a paceline is supposed to work. Which, in my opinion, in 90% of the riders out there.

Heathpack 11-08-15 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by FLvector (Post 18303924)
By normal double paceline, do you mean the one pictured on the left? We'll do this during warmups which allows for conversation, but when things ramp up, we'll usually go to a single paceline. As datlas mentioned, the constantly rotating paceline on the right is the most efficient if done properly.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=486892

Yep, that's what I meant. That is the only double paceline I've ever done.

Well except a recent slower-paced group ride that was a double paceline in which both people pulling would come off to the left. I was on the right and could figure out how to get off the front. My "partner" just pulled forever and seemingly couldn't hear what I was saying when I was telling him I wanted off. I was trapped and finally just came off to the right like a normal person. :)

FLvector 11-08-15 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by Mumonkan (Post 18303929)
with 30 people it would kinda have to be 2 lines with that many, you probably wouldnt get to the back before the next one pulled off

I think it works best with about 10-12 riders that are well in synch. Fortunately, the majority of the 30 knew what they were doing so it was pretty smooth. Fun to do something different once in a while.

Trsnrtr 11-08-15 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 18303908)
Done properly, it's incredibly efficient.

What he said. Every breakaway that I was ever in in a race operated a line like a chainsaw. Constant rotation, no sitting on the front.

The problem is that a lot of inexperienced riders want to up the pace instead of just flow through and move aside, or they want to sit on the front and pull which is fine on a lot of rides but not nearly as efficient.

LAJ 11-08-15 08:06 PM

Exactly. A plain ol rotating paceline is an amazing thing. If folks would just learn what a slight soft pedal means, and quit racing the guy that's rotating off the front, it would be so much better.

UnfilteredDregs 11-08-15 08:13 PM


Originally Posted by FLvector (Post 18303889)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=486890

We usually ride a single pace line where the rider up front pulls off to the left (or right depending on wind direction). The double pace line is good as long as most know what they're doing. Otherwise, it can bunch up or get a lot of gaps. We had about 30 in the group, probably too many, but it worked.


Originally Posted by Heathpack (Post 18303899)
Why would you do that instead of a normal double paceline. It looks needlessly complex. Is there some advantage to doing it that way?


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 18303903)
I love doing a double pace-line like that, it's sometimes a challenge with my club as some riders don't understand the principle of it, which typically ruins the benefit.


Originally Posted by Mumonkan (Post 18303929)
with 30 people it would kinda have to be 2 lines with that many, you probably wouldnt get to the back before the next one pulled off


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 18303934)
That looks like a paceline to me.


My favorite is the gaggle, or a hoard of scorchers, 30-60+, just a mass moving down the street at a high rate of speed, maybe defined by some sort of echelon at the head, everyone just filtering up through gaps to the front as necessary according to the whims of the ego.

goes well with a few bottles of red being handed around, etc..

Bah Humbug 11-08-15 08:13 PM

When I was in Boulder I saw a four-man rotating "box" on one of my first group rides at the front. I wanted no part of being that close, so I hung a couple of lengths back. It was amazing to watch though.

LAJ 11-08-15 08:18 PM


Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs (Post 18304247)
My favorite is the gaggle, or a hoard of scorchers, 30-60+, just a mass moving down the street at a high rate of speed, maybe defined by some sort of echelon at the head, everyone just filtering up through gaps to the front as necessary according to the whims of the ego.

goes well with a few bottles of red being handed around, etc..

Sounds like a typical Worlds ride. No matter what town it is.

Herbie53 11-08-15 08:35 PM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 18304236)
Exactly. A plain ol rotating paceline is an amazing thing. If folks would just learn what a slight soft pedal means, and quit racing the guy that's rotating off the front, it would be so much better.

Tried to get one going in our gaggle today on a long headwind stretch... gaggle stayed gaggle.

3alarmer 11-08-15 08:48 PM


...right around 26 seconds in. :)

rjones28 11-08-15 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 18302856)
Wow. Hard ride yesterday morning plus 3 hours of yard work in the afternoon equals a great night's sleep.

I wish I could ride again today but gonna do something stupid instead.

Mama always said, stupid is as stupid does.

WhyFi 11-08-15 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 18304428)
Mama always said, stupid is as stupid does.

Mama told me not to come.

UnfilteredDregs 11-08-15 10:09 PM


rjones28 11-08-15 10:14 PM

Face plant on the second lap of the first race at this morning's CX event. Passing a guy going up an off-camber hill. He washed out. I went over the bars. Impact moved the left shifter. I got a fat lip.

#goodtimes

LAJ 11-08-15 10:16 PM

It's good you're OK, [MENTION=130160]rjones28[/MENTION].

rjones28 11-08-15 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by LAJ (Post 18304465)
It's good you're OK, @rjones28.

Grassy hillsides are fairly forgiving. Athough, my nose kind of hurt for the rest of the race.

rjones28 11-08-15 10:22 PM

And I did another, longer, race after that. I did not fall down during the second race.

3alarmer 11-08-15 10:23 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 18304462)
Face plant on the second lap of the first race at this morning's CX event. Passing a guy going up an off-camber hill. He washed out. I went over the bars. Impact moved the left shifter. I got a fat lip.

#goodtimes

...ouch. That over the bars thing happens pretty fast. Good thing, 'cause it's scary.
Has anyone asked you if the bike was OK yet ? If not, let me be the first. :)

3alarmer 11-08-15 10:25 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 18304470)
Grassy hillsides are fairly forgiving. Athough, my nose kind of hurt for the rest of the race.

...well, tomorrow morning tells the tale. You always look worse in the morning after the swelling has had a chance to work its magic. #iceit

rjones28 11-08-15 10:35 PM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 18304476)
...ouch. That over the bars thing happens pretty fast. Good thing, 'cause it's scary.
Has anyone asked you if the bike was OK yet ? If not, let me be the first. :)

Bike is A-ok. Just needed to remove the grass from the lever and push it back into place. :)

Dannihilator 11-08-15 11:43 PM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 18304462)
Face plant on the second lap of the first race at this morning's CX event. Passing a guy going up an off-camber hill. He washed out. I went over the bars. Impact moved the left shifter. I got a fat lip.

#goodtimes

Youch.

Rowan 11-09-15 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by datlas (Post 18303650)
Yes, if/when the famine hits, I am in trouble. In the meantime, I will wait for you at the top of the hill.

Which also means you'll be first to whatever food there is.

#Getoutofmywayfatso

Rowan 11-09-15 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by Rowan (Post 18304625)

Did I really post that?

Oh dear. I have caught a disease.

datlas 11-09-15 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by Rowan (Post 18304726)
Did I really post that?

Oh dear. I have caught a disease.

I heard Australia has recently overtaken USA in obesity.


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