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Old 12-21-15, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
A few years ago Lynskey made a road frame for Performance. I don't think it cheapened the brand any.

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It doesn't cheapen the brand if the brand name doesn't appear on it which is what occurred back in 2009.
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If a high quality product is being produced the brand isn't being cheapened.
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Originally Posted by cale
Sorry, I get a little wound up when Diamondback gets associated with Schwinn. You don't know Diamondback but I worked as a trusted supplier to the company for over 17 years. They don't sell only through Nashbar, they also sell through Performance, Sports Authority, etc., and the move to selling through mass-merchandisers was a strategic decision made 10 years or more ago. Formerly a good brand? They'll laugh all the way to the bank at Accell. (Accell bought Raleigh America some years back and acquired Diamondback in the process.)
Yeah Schwinn is owned by a different company than Diamondback.

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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I think you may be mixing up Lynskey and Litespeed.

The Lynskey family sold Litespeed to the American Bicycle Group, and then went back into business under the Lynskey name. I've heard bad things about Litepseed's handling of warranty claims under ABG, but I've not heard bad things about Lynskey.
Quite sure I am not, in this case. I am familiar with their mountain models. I have heard of Liteseepd issues but they were/are quite rare in the mountain bike world. The Lynskey Ridgeline and Pro 29 were the primary (only?) mtn models and they developed a bit of a reputation there. After that, it seems Lynskey faded quite a bit from that side of cycling. I'm sure their road line is different and obviously don't see the rigors of mountain biking.
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Originally Posted by RPK79
If a high quality product is being produced the brand isn't being cheapened.
don't confuse people with the facts.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I think you may be mixing up Lynskey and Litespeed.

The Lynskey family sold Litespeed to the American Bicycle Group, and then went back into business under the Lynskey name. I've heard rumors about Litepseed's handling of warranty claims under ABG, but I've not heard bad things about Lynskey.
Corrected that for you.
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Originally Posted by RPK79
Are Sony and Samsung 'cheapened' as a brand because they are sold at Walmart?
No. It's a good fit. Walmart doesn't move much of the "aspiration" gear that Sony and Samsung sell elsewhere and the two brands have such deep offerings that they can manage the mix of exclusive gear and budget stuff without the brand being damaged.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
Yeah Schwinn is owned by a different company than Diamondback.

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You're not understanding my point if you think it was simply to point out that they're different companies. If so, my bad. What I meant to say is that Diamondback bikes have been designed and marketed by the same people (a uniquely organized operation) continuously for over 20 years. If you look at the Schwinn brand over that same time period, you'd find several owners and operations. It is the lack of consistency and the will to innovate that has humbled the once mighty Schwinn brand. The same can't be said about Diamondback who has continued to innovate despite a change in sales outlets.
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Originally Posted by RPK79
If a high quality product is being produced the brand isn't being cheapened.
Anytime a well known brand is deeply discounted, it suffers a loss of its exclusivity. This is a fact beyond dispute.
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Originally Posted by cale
You're not understanding my point if you think it was simply to point out that they're different companies. If so, my bad. What I meant to say is that Diamondback bikes have been designed and marketed by the same people (a uniquely organized operation) continuously for over 20 years. If you look at the Schwinn brand over that same time period, you'd find several owners and operations. It is the lack of consistency and the will to innovate that has humbled the once mighty Schwinn brand. The same can't be said about Diamondback who has continued to innovate despite a change in sales outlets.
what does any of this have to do with Lynskey being sold at Nashbar?
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Originally Posted by cale
Anytime a well known brand is deeply discounted, it suffers a loss of its exclusivity. This is a fact beyond dispute.
I guess we better let every retailer who has ever offered a sale price for anything ever know that they have horribly damaged the reputation of all of their vendors.

I smell a lawsuit!
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Originally Posted by cale
Anytime a well known brand is deeply discounted, it suffers a loss of its exclusivity. This is a fact beyond dispute.
The frames are last year's models. It's common practice to deeply discount disco/noncurrent products. Despite what you believe, it doesn't cheapen the brand.
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I look to Nashbar a lot when I need anything of value. I do not see Nashbar as a chop shop, and to me I do NOT see the stuff they sell as "cheap". Inexpensive in price, but not cheap in quality. I bought 4 bicycles from Nashbar this year, their AT1 Mtn Bikes at $200 are great value.

I would not hesitate to buy a Lynsky from Nashbar. I have owned 3 Litespeeds at various points in in my life so I am a fan. I still have a 2001 Pisgah that I love. I do believe 2001 is post-lynsky though, but it still has the Lynsky quality that Lynsky is known for.

Lynsky has the name, but what good is a name when you go bankrupt? I would rather see Lynsky be at Walmart than go Bankrupt and not around.

Also Walmart will never sell bicycles that cost more than $200 because they are NOT about after sales support. It's good when people go to Walmart for bikes, it will get them into biking and eventually they will need to go to a real bike shop to get that cheap bike worked on. Then from there, they can buy a better bike!
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Originally Posted by cale
Anytime a well known brand is deeply discounted, it suffers a loss of its exclusivity. This is a fact beyond dispute.
Yes, but it was already observed that the frames are not being discounted except possibly by periodic "coupons". That can be overlooked by the snootier folks among us.
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Originally Posted by ErichVonCartman
Also Walmart will never sell bicycles that cost more than $200
Vilano Forza 2.0 Shimano Tiagra STI Road Bike - Walmart.com
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Looks like sold at Walmart.com via third party vendor (wayfair.com).
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
what does any of this have to do with Lynskey being sold at Nashbar?
Don't "broth"er trying to figure it out.
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well I stand corrected... but It does seem Walmart-Online has much more available than Walmart the local store. I was checking out my local Walmart just recently and most of the bikes I was looking at were less than $200. It does seem Walmart-Online has much more available than Walmart the local store (not just bikes, but furniture as well).
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
The frames are last year's models. It's common practice to deeply discount disco/noncurrent products. Despite what you believe, it doesn't cheapen the brand.
You're not reading what I've written in support of the fact that these frames most likely represent a total re-alignment of Lynsky sales. Go back. Read my post. Then make a comment with the additional foundation that provides.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Yes, but it was already observed that the frames are not being discounted except possibly by periodic "coupons". That can be overlooked by the snootier folks among us.
If the sales continue into the 2016 model year, it will be more than periodic. I just see something more going on than a "closeout". The Nashbar home page makes significant mention (a prominent flash "page" and a link in the upper-most position of sales links) of the fact that they are now Lynsky's Exclusive Online Retailer.
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Originally Posted by RPK79
I guess we better let every retailer who has ever offered a sale price for anything ever know that they have horribly damaged the reputation of all of their vendors.

I smell a lawsuit!
Just because a brand can suffer a loss of exclusivity (and therefore value) doesn't mean that brand image can't be built back up. I make a living building brand image. (In a literal sense. For many years, I printed millions of high-end bike catalogs, with a unique mix of content, so that a brand image was properly supported.)

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My local Walmart had a $400 Gravity road bike that was pure garbage.

None of my local shops carry Lynskey. I have heard the name here on the forum before, but have zero exposure to their bikes. The fact that it is now at Nashbar means that I may actually see their product and consider it.
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Originally Posted by RPK79
My local Walmart had a $400 Gravity road bike that was pure garbage.

None of my local shops carry Lynskey. I have heard the name here on the forum before, but have zero exposure to their bikes. The fact that it is now at Nashbar means that I may actually see their product and consider it.
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Here is big Props to Nashbar Bikes.

I know how to work on bikes so I have no problem buying bikes online. What surprised me when I bought those 5 bikes from Nashbar (for me, my kids, and my neighbor), all 5 came basically all ready to go with Derailleurs preadjusted, bars taped up, brakes all adjusted, etc.

Also to comment about Lynsky being available at Nashbar and NOT Performance. By going through Nashbar, these bikes will now be able to be shipped to your door. A Performance sales person told me that Performance does NOT ship their bikes to your door, only to a local Performance Stores. He said they do this because they want to make sure the bike is properly put together and be 100% ready and satisfied when the customer comes pick it up. Bummer for me because I do not have a local Performance store to me within reasonable driving distance.
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In reflection of @RPK79 comment above, I think Nasbar customers expect discounted goods or at least something akin to what BD offers (which I perceive to be value). That's a different "stage" for Lynsky to be sold on. (I've purused the Lynsky website and it is heavy on "years of craftsmanship" and other "soft" value claims that get buyers to pay a bit more for the name.) They'll give up some of that with Nashbar's "Get it now!" fashion of sales.
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