My Venturi Breezer Build - 19.25 pound, steel bike <$850
11-21-16, 07:05 AM
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11-21-16, 09:01 AM
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I saw it described as 'super light road'. Is there more of a description I'm missing? I'd love to know the full story behind someone wanting beach cruiser geometry in road bike form. That bike might as well not even have drops those bars are rotated so high. I mean, I'm all for making money and delivering what the customer asks for but if I was building custom bikes for a living, I'd leave that one off my website.
I have little doubt that his background at BikeFriday gave him an appreciation of design possibilities beyond what most builders have; he probably doesn't think that steerer is really all that long given what BikeFriday does!
I don't know if you saw the detail link stating some of the specific and custom design features in realising this 13.1lbs road bike, but here it is: Tom?s superlight road | English Cycles
11-21-16, 09:03 AM
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11-21-16, 09:11 AM
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We are pretty similarly proportioned. My best fitting bike is very, very close to those dimensions (my old Trek 660, TT = 54cm on its 21"/53.5cm C-T frame) and my new Hongfu build (50cm C-T FM079-F frame) is very similar as well, albeit a bit shorter in reach and stack (ok by me as it gets me even lower and on a 110mm stem vs. 100mm on the Trek).
11-21-16, 09:14 AM
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That's an unfortunate perspective, because aside from it not being beach cruiser geometry, plainly, that it's listed on the site tells me that English is an open minded builder who is willing to work across a spectrum of bikes types, not just the racer type, and so it enhances my perception and valuation of his talents.
I have little doubt that his background at BikeFriday gave him an appreciation of design possibilities beyond what most builders have; he probably doesn't think that steerer is really all that long given what BikeFriday does!
I don't know if you saw the detail link stating some of the specific and custom design features in realising this 13.1lbs road bike, but here it is: Tom?s superlight road | English Cycles
I have little doubt that his background at BikeFriday gave him an appreciation of design possibilities beyond what most builders have; he probably doesn't think that steerer is really all that long given what BikeFriday does!
I don't know if you saw the detail link stating some of the specific and custom design features in realising this 13.1lbs road bike, but here it is: Tom?s superlight road | English Cycles
). Throw a up-turned 45° stem on that thing and remove the bulk of that spacer and I bet it doesn't look nearly as absurd.
11-21-16, 09:17 AM
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I don't think it is that simple. Even on smaller sizes the top tube is still way long when the steeper seat tube angles are take into account. And the head tubes/headsets are integrated so they are not effectively elongated by the bearing stack height like on a traditional head tube of the same height. I could make the M size work for me with a 90 mm stem flipped up on top of at least 40 mm of spacers. I like a lot of reach and almost a couple of inches saddle to bar drop so not really low, but not upright either. It could work but EEEEW, why would I want to.
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11-21-16, 01:45 PM
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11-21-16, 02:48 PM
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'Stack and reach' are a fairly new concept. Cyclists have been determining fit off geometry charts like the Venturi's for years. It isn't possible to eyeball two different charts like that and say with half millimeter accuracy how different the frames are, but one can get close enough with a basic understanding of trig (understanding how the seat and head tube angles affect stack and reach).
11-21-16, 03:23 PM
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It isn't ambiguous at all. Seat tube length is totally irrelevant on a compact geometry frame so it doesn't matter how they measure that. Effective top tube is only measured one way and is given. Head tube length is only measured one way and is give. The seat tube and head tube angles are only measured one way and are given. Yes, stack and reach aren't obvious, but the tube lengths and angles should suffice for a fit.
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I also suggest measuring any bikes you own which fit you, and getting a range of comfortable numbers.
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