Compact, half compact or harden up?
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Compact, half compact or harden up?
I've recently got into road cycling and I'm not particularly strong yet but I absolutely love climbing.
However, I'm very short and thin (5'7" and 130 pounds) and on climbs that average 9%, my cadence is about 60 (at threshold) whilst my usual cadence is about 100-105. After 3km, my legs are completely cooked.
I'm running a 54-39 (or 53?) and 11-28 at the back.
I'm tossing up if I should be getting a compact chainring or semi compact, or if I just need to train harder and stop being a sook.
I'm aiming to do some climbs that have 1km+ of 20% but at least 50% of my training is on flat.
Any suggestions on what I should change to?
However, I'm very short and thin (5'7" and 130 pounds) and on climbs that average 9%, my cadence is about 60 (at threshold) whilst my usual cadence is about 100-105. After 3km, my legs are completely cooked.
I'm running a 54-39 (or 53?) and 11-28 at the back.
I'm tossing up if I should be getting a compact chainring or semi compact, or if I just need to train harder and stop being a sook.
I'm aiming to do some climbs that have 1km+ of 20% but at least 50% of my training is on flat.
Any suggestions on what I should change to?
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IMO when climbing, it is your lungs that should be the limiting factor, not your legs. For someone who spins as fast as you do on the flats, a lower gear ratio for climbing would make sense. It has nothing to do with toughness. You aren't a masher, and you need a setup that accounts for that.
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Compacts are great for everyday riding and training... and racing. I have one on my everyday bike, but I do have a standard on my race bike so I can seem more badass at a mass start.
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I've recently got into road cycling and I'm not particularly strong yet but I absolutely love climbing.
However, I'm very short and thin (5'7" and 130 pounds) and on climbs that average 9%, my cadence is about 60 (at threshold) whilst my usual cadence is about 100-105. After 3km, my legs are completely cooked.
I'm running a 54-39 (or 53?) and 11-28 at the back.
I'm tossing up if I should be getting a compact chainring or semi compact, or if I just need to train harder and stop being a sook.
I'm aiming to do some climbs that have 1km+ of 20% but at least 50% of my training is on flat.
Any suggestions on what I should change to?
However, I'm very short and thin (5'7" and 130 pounds) and on climbs that average 9%, my cadence is about 60 (at threshold) whilst my usual cadence is about 100-105. After 3km, my legs are completely cooked.
I'm running a 54-39 (or 53?) and 11-28 at the back.
I'm tossing up if I should be getting a compact chainring or semi compact, or if I just need to train harder and stop being a sook.
I'm aiming to do some climbs that have 1km+ of 20% but at least 50% of my training is on flat.
Any suggestions on what I should change to?
Play around with this to figure out what combination would work best for you:
HTML5 Gear Calculator
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Unless you can max out a 52x11, you might as well get a compact with a 11-28 and have more gear options.
My son is looking to swap out is standard crank and 11-25 for a compact and 11-28 since it's not actively racing.
My son is looking to swap out is standard crank and 11-25 for a compact and 11-28 since it's not actively racing.
#8
While you are suffering and trying to turn the cranks over 39x28 do you ever wish you had an extra gear?
That's what the compact enables.
Nothing saps energy like trying to grind up a long hill at 60.
That's what the compact enables.
Nothing saps energy like trying to grind up a long hill at 60.
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Compact with an 11/32 works well for for me. Given an option I would have spec'd out an 11/28 but 11/32 is what came with the bike. I'd originally figured to change out the cassette after purchase but turns out I'm good with the gear spacing and the 11/32 allows me to spend most all of my time on the big ring without cross chaining. And there's plenty lower gears for when and if I do serious hills.
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Go straight for the 50/34 and save the 53/39 on a shelf in case in want it again when you're in better shape.
#19
choose gearing based upon the terrain you ride and your strength.
This can even mean custom gearing...I ride 50-38 on one bike...and even custom cassette where you combine two cassettes to choose the cogs you like.
As a general rule you want to keep gear spacing as close as possible and yet cover the range in gearing for both climbing and highest descending speed.
This can even mean custom gearing...I ride 50-38 on one bike...and even custom cassette where you combine two cassettes to choose the cogs you like.
As a general rule you want to keep gear spacing as close as possible and yet cover the range in gearing for both climbing and highest descending speed.
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I hate to be the contrarian, but I don't see why it's urgent that he should change the 53-39. His 60 cadence isn't all that problematic on a hard climb, but you could gain a little (for a lot less) if you can find a 12-30 cassette. A short cage Shimano RD might (likely could) be pushed that far, if not they're not that much if we're talking 8- or 9- speed.
I just wouldn't want to push him into a compact if it wasn't really needed. With his size and room for improvement ("recently got into" it) he might be spinning up that grade in a few months.
I just wouldn't want to push him into a compact if it wasn't really needed. With his size and room for improvement ("recently got into" it) he might be spinning up that grade in a few months.
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#25
I've recently got into road cycling and I'm not particularly strong yet but I absolutely love climbing.
However, I'm very short and thin (5'7" and 130 pounds) and on climbs that average 9%, my cadence is about 60 (at threshold) whilst my usual cadence is about 100-105. After 3km, my legs are completely cooked.
I'm running a 54-39 (or 53?) and 11-28 at the back.
I'm tossing up if I should be getting a compact chainring or semi compact, or if I just need to train harder and stop being a sook.
I'm aiming to do some climbs that have 1km+ of 20% but at least 50% of my training is on flat.
Any suggestions on what I should change to?
However, I'm very short and thin (5'7" and 130 pounds) and on climbs that average 9%, my cadence is about 60 (at threshold) whilst my usual cadence is about 100-105. After 3km, my legs are completely cooked.
I'm running a 54-39 (or 53?) and 11-28 at the back.
I'm tossing up if I should be getting a compact chainring or semi compact, or if I just need to train harder and stop being a sook.
I'm aiming to do some climbs that have 1km+ of 20% but at least 50% of my training is on flat.
Any suggestions on what I should change to?
At your 39-28 low gear, 60 rpm, that's 6.5 mph.
VAM is vertical meters per hour. (Very steep hills tend to bump up the VAM score, since riders are limited how slow they can go.)
your 9%*5280 feet per mile * 6.5 miles in an hour, converted to meters = 940 VAM
That's a very hard effort, and pretty impressive. Can you dial back the power on each pedal stroke a little, and go longer? Lightweight riders supposedly can climb standing up more efficiently than heavy riders.
On the other hand, a long 20% grade can use all the lowest gears you got. I used to climb a local 120 foot high, 16-18% grade at 3 mph, 30 rpm, with a 34-27. I could do that effort for that distance without blowing up.
VAM Effort (According to me)
400 Easy climbing
550 Pacing up the long climb
750 Working hard, shorter climbs
1000 All out
1200 Race climbers
1500 Pro level
Last edited by rm -rf; 06-14-16 at 10:28 AM.





