Now Here is a Reason to Buy a New/Lighter Bike
03-22-17, 07:03 AM
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I believe that I have found a solution. If I clamp the front wheel (short bungee cord should work) to be straight with the frame, I can swing the front wheel over it's hanger without ever raising my arms much. The front end is pretty light. Then just swing the back end up from the saddle. To get it down - just the reverse.
I found it awkward going "back side first" with the front wheel/steering flopping back/forth.
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PS. AR-Kid. Where I live is kind of an incubator for how to get old experiments (LOTS of retired but still active folks). From what I have seen rehabbing two knee replacements plus two hip replacements is easier than rehabbing one serious rotator cuff surgery.
I found it awkward going "back side first" with the front wheel/steering flopping back/forth.
dave
PS. AR-Kid. Where I live is kind of an incubator for how to get old experiments (LOTS of retired but still active folks). From what I have seen rehabbing two knee replacements plus two hip replacements is easier than rehabbing one serious rotator cuff surgery.
03-22-17, 07:33 AM
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I believe that I have found a solution. If I clamp the front wheel (short bungee cord should work) to be straight with the frame, I can swing the front wheel over it's hanger without ever raising my arms much. The front end is pretty light. Then just swing the back end up from the saddle. To get it down - just the reverse.
I found it awkward going "back side first" with the front wheel/steering flopping back/forth.
dave
PS. AR-Kid. Where I live is kind of an incubator for how to get old experiments (LOTS of retired but still active folks). From what I have seen rehabbing two knee replacements plus two hip replacements is easier than rehabbing one serious rotator cuff surgery.
I found it awkward going "back side first" with the front wheel/steering flopping back/forth.
dave
PS. AR-Kid. Where I live is kind of an incubator for how to get old experiments (LOTS of retired but still active folks). From what I have seen rehabbing two knee replacements plus two hip replacements is easier than rehabbing one serious rotator cuff surgery.
03-22-17, 07:50 AM
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I am developing rotator cuff issues in my shoulder and getting this thing on/off its hooks is becoming somewhat painful.
Have you seen a doctor, are you in PT? The moment I have trouble lifting a 20 pound bike over my head that's where I'd be.
03-22-17, 07:55 AM
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A lighter bike is nice when it comes to putting it up for storage, on top of cars, hauling up steps, carrying in to Hotel rooms, etc. Not essential obviously but it is nice.
And if you're willing to spend some money, I think you'll be amazed what you can get in a modern bike.
Your bike as ridden is likely 19lbs. 13-14 lbs is totally doable these days. 5-6 pound is going to be a noticeable difference in how much fun the bike is to ride, how quick it feels accelerating and climbing.
And the new bike can be more aerodynamic, particularly wheels, which will also make it a tad faster.
The new bike will also handle better, given that a good CF frame is going to have a stiffer front end that will inspire confidence handling.
At the same time, a new CF is very likely to be more comfortable than a 1990's steel frame.
So in addition to being easier to handle storing and transporting the bike, its just going to be all around more enjoyable. If your budget allows, go for it.
And if you're willing to spend some money, I think you'll be amazed what you can get in a modern bike.
Your bike as ridden is likely 19lbs. 13-14 lbs is totally doable these days. 5-6 pound is going to be a noticeable difference in how much fun the bike is to ride, how quick it feels accelerating and climbing.
And the new bike can be more aerodynamic, particularly wheels, which will also make it a tad faster.
The new bike will also handle better, given that a good CF frame is going to have a stiffer front end that will inspire confidence handling.
At the same time, a new CF is very likely to be more comfortable than a 1990's steel frame.
So in addition to being easier to handle storing and transporting the bike, its just going to be all around more enjoyable. If your budget allows, go for it.
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03-22-17, 08:39 AM
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If there's space for it, try a wall hook for the front wheel in your garage. Just have it high enough to keep the rear wheel an inch to two off the ground. Then you could just stand it up and do a small lift with your knee under the back of the saddle to hang it. Then just get a second hook for the new bike... 
03-22-17, 10:40 AM
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A lighter bike is nice when it comes to putting it up for storage, on top of cars, hauling up steps, carrying in to Hotel rooms, etc. Not essential obviously but it is nice.
And if you're willing to spend some money, I think you'll be amazed what you can get in a modern bike.
Your bike as ridden is likely 19lbs. 13-14 lbs is totally doable these days. 5-6 pound is going to be a noticeable difference in how much fun the bike is to ride, how quick it feels accelerating and climbing.
And the new bike can be more aerodynamic, particularly wheels, which will also make it a tad faster.
The new bike will also handle better, given that a good CF frame is going to have a stiffer front end that will inspire confidence handling.
At the same time, a new CF is very likely to be more comfortable than a 1990's steel frame.
So in addition to being easier to handle storing and transporting the bike, its just going to be all around more enjoyable. If your budget allows, go for it.
And if you're willing to spend some money, I think you'll be amazed what you can get in a modern bike.
Your bike as ridden is likely 19lbs. 13-14 lbs is totally doable these days. 5-6 pound is going to be a noticeable difference in how much fun the bike is to ride, how quick it feels accelerating and climbing.
And the new bike can be more aerodynamic, particularly wheels, which will also make it a tad faster.
The new bike will also handle better, given that a good CF frame is going to have a stiffer front end that will inspire confidence handling.
At the same time, a new CF is very likely to be more comfortable than a 1990's steel frame.
So in addition to being easier to handle storing and transporting the bike, its just going to be all around more enjoyable. If your budget allows, go for it.
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03-22-17, 10:43 AM
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BTW, I have said it before and will say it again. It is easier to hang a bike by the back wheel than the front. No bungee cord needed. Why hang by both wheels? Can't you suspend it over a parked car front wheel down? You only have to hold the head tube and down tube close to the front. Not much arm raising at all.
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Mid 90's Bianchi EL/OS had steel forks with threaded headsets and quill stems. Total weight savings of an all CF fork with threadless headset and stem is close to 2 pounds.
That frame likely weighs in the in the 1500 gram range. So a moderately priced CF frame can save over a pound, and something like an EVO supersix high mod closer to two.
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03-22-17, 11:43 AM
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As a an old sailor with many miles under my keel, I would rig up some sort of a block and tackle arrangement such as the one known as a Luff Tackle, 3:1 mechanical advantage I believe. https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/...g&action=click
03-22-17, 11:51 AM
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03-22-17, 12:04 PM
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If you get the bike down frequently enough for this to be a problem, wouldn't it make more sense to hang something else up (or set up shelves for it), that you hardly ever use, and leave the bike wherever that stuff was?
03-22-17, 12:18 PM
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I'd set up an electric lift for way less than that. Shoot for $5K you could probably build it on a track that brings your selected bike around and lowers it down in front of you.
03-22-17, 01:21 PM
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A couple of comments (I am the OP here in case you lost track).
Regarding the doctor I have had more than one conversation with my GP and we have decided to do nothing at this point. I take Meloxicam daily for an unrelated knee (and wrist) issue and this really doesn't affect my daily life at this point (since I don't have to throw a baseball from third to first base-that would be hard). Golf is no problem at all, BTW.
I am pretty happy with the strap the front and load from the front solution. I could do some garage rearrangement (it is admittedly a mess). But this should work (see pic).
I had considered the fork/headset/stem path just on general principles. Somehow that felt like the point at which this was some other bike. Like I said I like this bike and don't even want to know if I would like another more (he said with his head deep into the sand).
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Regarding the doctor I have had more than one conversation with my GP and we have decided to do nothing at this point. I take Meloxicam daily for an unrelated knee (and wrist) issue and this really doesn't affect my daily life at this point (since I don't have to throw a baseball from third to first base-that would be hard). Golf is no problem at all, BTW.
I am pretty happy with the strap the front and load from the front solution. I could do some garage rearrangement (it is admittedly a mess). But this should work (see pic).
I had considered the fork/headset/stem path just on general principles. Somehow that felt like the point at which this was some other bike. Like I said I like this bike and don't even want to know if I would like another more (he said with his head deep into the sand).
dave
03-22-17, 02:22 PM
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+1. If you are doing 5-10k miles a year you must be riding most days. I would rearrange/declutter your garage so that you can keep the bike on the ground.
03-22-17, 02:26 PM
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Weight difference won't change a thing. It'll make no difference whatsoever. Lifting 1-2 lbs less isn't a huge difference IMO. It's more about the motion / form you do it while you're taking it down.
Good news is you need absolutely no excuse to buy a new bike. Just go buy it if you can afford it and enjoy it. You don't have to explain "why" to anyone. (except maybe wife?
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Good news is you need absolutely no excuse to buy a new bike. Just go buy it if you can afford it and enjoy it. You don't have to explain "why" to anyone. (except maybe wife?
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I had a bike stolen from inside the garage. New replacement cost is ~$4,500.
Payout cost form insurance was $2,400.
If I do nothing I keep the $2,400.
If I buy a new complete bike - any brand, but bike, not wheels, or parts, the insurance will send me the difference up to the $4,500.
But...I have a bike, and my kid has bikes, and my wife likes hers. The stolen bike was not being used (which is why it was stolen).
So far the $2,400 went into the bank.
Payout cost form insurance was $2,400.
If I do nothing I keep the $2,400.
If I buy a new complete bike - any brand, but bike, not wheels, or parts, the insurance will send me the difference up to the $4,500.
But...I have a bike, and my kid has bikes, and my wife likes hers. The stolen bike was not being used (which is why it was stolen).
So far the $2,400 went into the bank.