nycphotography

People can't chop their heads off and put on a lighter one. Kindofa stupid analogy.

More like weighing people naked, so my jeans, jacket, gold chains and doc martens choice can be normalized against your WOD shorts, tank top, and crocs choice.

While (most) people can't go around naked, so everyone has to add some kind of weight for clothing... the choice of clothing is very individual and varies wildly in weight.

edit: I see you said measure height. Same argument, except with shoes, ie was Prince 5'3" tall, or 5'9" tall? Just because he wears 6" platforms doesn't mean he's 5'9

Doge

No angst, just not what I thought the OP was asking. For a full analysis (I mentioned in my first post) you need to know the kit.

I did not know that definition you gave about showroom weight. Does the bike meet mass start requirements for racing or can it have a brake off and flat bar. Does it need two rings and an FD?
I have not ever given that weight. I tend to give Ready To Ride weights, closer to what is in this thread OP.

DrIsotope

This does absolutely nothing to change the total bike + rider weight-- it just moves the weight around, and usually higher.

So what we should be discussing is the "disposable percentage:" take the total combined weight of the dressed rider, weight of bike in road-going condition, add all extras like water, tools, and spares... and divide that number by the "showroom" weight of the bike. Anyone with a result under 10% needs to lose weight. Anyone with a result over 15% needs a lighter bike. YMMV.

nycphotography

Seems obvious to me...weigh it w/o pedals, cages and computer

Not sure why some people have such a big problem with that, that's all.

Bob Ross

I have no idea, don't own a bathroom scale or any other type of scale that would work. I do know a pint's a pound the whole world 'round so that my two full water jugs [sic] add >3lbs to whatever the total bike weight is.


I once weighed my foul weather/commuter bike (Bridgestone 600 from 1986) when I was at the LBS and saw they had a hanging scale. That beast was 24lbs with pedals and pump but without saddle bag or water jugs.


And I vaguely remember weighing my 2006 Cannondale Synapse Carbon 2 when the LBS kept a hanging scale dangling from their awning out front, I think that was around 18lbs with pedals and pump and saddle bag but without water jugs.

Doge

You have used words like angst and "such a big problem". The other measurements are off topic for this thread and I don't think what the OP was asking, but I don't know.
Any definition is fine to start a thread and get responses. Some require more work. Putting a scale on a showroom bike is easy, but asking folks to take stuff off for a forum post takes a bit more effort. I remember on another thread a debate over my glued up tubular raw wheel (without tire) weight. I was not going to take my tires off to weigh them. As I posted, I'm a RTR guy. I like total weight - everything over the naked rider.

In the 80s tubular tire bikes were weighed without tires.

dksix

Here is mine, exactly as it will be later today when I go riding except for when I ride my phone will be in the mount (it's also my camera so).

Mine is a Basso Laguna in size 61.
Full Ultegra 6700 except for the IRD 12-32 cassette and 6800 brakeset
onlycarbonwheel (eBay seller) 50MM CF rims w/ Novatec hubs
Continental Grand Prix 25mm tires w/ Continental Race inner tubes (80MM stems)
Serfas Phantom seat
eBay CF seat post
MicroTech clamp
Nashbar CF stem
FSA compact aluminum ANATOMIC bars
Cages were bought on AMAZON for $16.xx IIRC
Hafny bar end mirror (great mirror)
2 full 25 oz CamelBak Podium Big Chill bottles
Phone mount is just something that was gifted to me, bought locally probably at WalMart and an eBay attachment bar.
Saddle bag has 1 tube, 1 mini pump, 3 hex keys, a 3 piece set of Park Tools tire levels and a 4 tip screw driver from a BMW tool kit
Right now I'm still riding my Crank Brothers Candy 1 MTB pedals. My MTB shoes are warmer than my road shoes so I use them for winter riding and haven't swapped back to my SPD-SL pedals yet.

Ready to ride with everything in place it came in at 9.14 KG or 20.15 pounds. That surprised me, expected it to be more, the Ultegra group must have been a lot lighter than the mixed lot of parts I had started with and the new Serfas seat is 120 grams lighter than the NashBar seat I was using.

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rpenmanparker 

You sir, have a valid world view. It is amazing how rare that opinion is. Many folks, it seems, actually care what the bike weighs rather than how it compares plus or minus to other bikes. They don't understand that if you remove 1 lb from a naked, showroom bike, that pound is still gone when it is on the road. I keep a tally of the weight of my "add-on" equipment, pedals, cages, and computer so that I can satisfy the unwashed masses' desire to know the weight as ridden. But for me, the showroom number is the key to understanding how much progress has been made in lightening bicycles.

Maelochs

Dude, you are supposed to weigh it Without the water!

Nice looking bike, and very healthy ready-to-ride weight.



To those wondering——The point of this thread is that showroom weight measures something essentially abstract---not a bicycle. If you disagree, never put pedals on your bike.

It is ridiculous to expect people to strip their bikes to weight them.

And yes, we will all have different kit ... well, it isn't a competition. If the people list what is included, we can judge for ourselves.

No one (well, no one sane) is trying to fight to be the lightest here .... we can weigh our stripped frames, peel off the decals, flush all the lube out ... if we really need to weigh our epeens.

This is more of a real-world information thread, so people can weigh what they actually ride and see where it falls in line with what others actually ride.

Why does anyone care?

Because we do.

Because some people come here talking about 14-lb bikes and we weigh ours ready-to-go and they are 24, and wonder ... 14 stripped? How much ready to ride?

My Workswell is estiweighted at 17 lbs ready to ride ... maybe 18 (no bottle, small tool set, mini pump, one tube, couple glueless patches, 1 tire iron..) If I add the phone/computer ... 18?

If Mr. RPenmanparker cites his comparable weight at 15, I get some clue about how much weight I could lose Realistically if I wanted to spend the money. If he says 13.5 stripped ... well again, I am not going to strip my bike, so his answer might as well be XX.Y.

I see that Basso at 20 and change With water and realize maybe it is my wheels ... because he doesn't have the zero-Gravity brakes and negative-gram cockpit parts ... his build and mine are pretty similar. I might be willing to drop some cash on a lighter bottom bracket, but at my bodyweight, I think I will stick with my wheels.

But I see that my build is basically in the ballpark with his fine machine.

I find that interesting.

People who are not interested ... might I please direct you to one of the many other threads here which Might hold your interest?

This thread is about the actual weight of built-up, ready-to-ride bikes. People who don't know or care have no real reason to tell the rest of us we shouldn't care or are wrong for caring or that our methods are wrong or whatever. We are all smart enough to tell the difference between a bike with two full bottles and a bike without.

On top of that ... This thread helps the U.S. economy.

I finally have a reason to go out and buy that luggage scale/fish scale I have been not buying for the past year. For the first time, I have a place to list the Actual weight of my bikes where it will be in context.

I think we all owe the OP a word of thanks for boosting America's GDP.

scuzzo

well, im glad some folks did not fine parse my question.. that basso is just about what i was looking for... yes i believe the show room weight is a bit abstract... if some chick is 120 lbs at show room weight... and then go out and eats a few gallons of ice cream... is she still 120bls? perhaps.. but i tend to think that once she scarffed down the tasty treat... it became added to her weight... i guess she could make a point that she is still 120lbs and ice cream was just an additional to her frame.. a really big water bottle.. but she is responsible for that ice cream... she must carry it.. its her now... if you can say show room weight is sans peds.. why not wheels or chain or .... my bike is uber lite when i take off the wheels... but it affects the ride... and when i try to ride with out peds... i cannot seem to accelerate as fast... but the bike is a bit lighter.. meh... just internet foolishness.. better to ride the bike the weight about it..

rpenmanparker 

You don't want to understand the concept so you won't. Showroom weight is showroom weight. It includes the chain, because that is how a bike is displayed in the bike store, aka showroom. It is a constant bicycle condition that we can all understand and relate to...if we are willing. No substitute condition that you can offer will allow us all to compare all bikes that we either have access to at the LBS or just read about by weight. Showroom weight is precise, everything else is fuzzy.

Maelochs

No Sir, it is You who seems unwilling to grasp.

We all understand "showroom weight" and its uses ... i.e. comparing other BSOs which will all be listed at this unrealistic weight.

As I said ... if you think "showroom weight" is the weight of a Bicycle, don't install pedals.

It is an artificial number, because it refers to the weight of Not a bicycle ... just parts of a bicycle.

Still, it is useful within its realm. We all recognize that.

However, as I stated quite clearly, Some People Also want a different scale ... one based on Actual, Working Bicycles.

We are not saying you cannot have your "showroom weight." We are not campaigning against "showroom weight."

We are saying we ride bicycles on roads and trails. We don't sit on partially assembled bicycles in showrooms.

Therefore we are interested in the weights of our and other people's Rideable Bicycles.

Don't be afraid. No one is coming to take away your "showroom weight." It will still be there, and will still be the industry reference number.

Those of us who want other things ... don't really need people telling us how wrong we are. If you are too ungenerous to allow other people to be interested in other things ... how hard must life be for you. It pains me to think of how much you must suffer, surrounded by people who don't think just like you.

Look ... if I weigh my bike with pedals and seat bag ... that number is a real weight, a real measurement of the attraction between my bike and the planet. All right?

If you weigh your bike without pedals, it is also a real weight ... it measures the weight of something.

You are only interested in one of those weights. Good for You!!!!

Some people are interested in both, or possibly (better sit down for this) Only in the ready-to-ride weight.

Why do you have a problem with that?

Some people like football, some people like soccer, some people like to call football soccer. Some people call mutated rugby, football. Some people play handball against a a wall with a rubber ball a little bigger than a golf ball. Some people play handball on a volleyball court with a volleyball and miniature soccer nets.

Does that freak you out?

Some people are interested in the weight of the bikes they ride, as they actually ride them. Please, try to understand. I promise we will try hard not to bother you.

Sy Reene

Maybe not angst, but I would guess that most bicyclists don't know what all that extra stuff weighs, so much easier to fishing scale weigh one's bike set up as it sits ready to head out the door.

Sy Reene

Kudos.. I couldn't think of handling a 1:20 ride without water myself.

rpenmanparker 

Why so upset? What I advocate is really knowing what you are dealing with. If you know the showroom or standard weight of your bike and the weight of your add-ons for actual riding (in my case 12.75 lb + 0.75 lb + water), then you can know how heavy your bike is when you ride it by simple addition. But more importantly you can tell how heavy anybody's bike would be when you were riding it by simply adding your extras onto their showroom weight. To me that is the best of both worlds. If you just know your total weight, you have no way to determine how much more or less any other bike would weigh set up in YOUR riding condition. That is what matters to me, being able to make that comparison. What possible reason would I have to care how much your bike weighs the way YOU ride it?

topflightpro

Bikes should be weighed with pedals and cages.

Bottles, saddle bags and computers are not part of the equation.

Maelochs

Exactly. What possible reason would YOU have?


Here is the thing ... there are a few other people out there.

Some of those people Are interested in things in which you Are Not.

That is what I keep saying. If you don't care, this is not a thread for you. If you do care, please feel free to participate.

But it is monumentally selfish for you to come here and say that since YOU don't care, the rest of us cannot and should not.

No one is saying you are wrong. We are saying things that don't interest you. You admit as much. Yet you keep telling us we are wrong to care about something simply because You don't care about it.

It is sort of like those folks who go to threads about building Chinese frames and keep saying the frames will asplode, or they are rip-offs which hurt the major manufacturers.

Those threads are for people to discuss planned or current or completed builds based on Chinese CF frames---not to rehash one more time the old debates about the nature and origin of the frames, the economic effect of the frames or in any way to offer a home for people whose chief interest is urinating on other people's choice of frames.

This thread from post #1 was and is about people weighing their bikes in ready-to-ride condition.

If you, as you claim, have not the slightest reason to be here ... why are you here?

If no part of this interests you at all .... might I direct you to one of the many other threads, one of which might pique your interest?

All I am asking is that if you have to post here, you not continue to post about how stupid we all are not to live our lives the way you choose to live yours.

If we want to weigh our bikes loaded .... Why should we not? What business is it of yours?

It is unseemly that a gentleman of your high caliber come here and indiscriminately urinate all around you. This thread is not a urinal ... it is just a discussion by people with different interests than you.

I am sure you aren't over in the E-Bike forum telling them they all need to get rid of their motors, am I right?

79pmooney

Showroom weight is like the lightship weight of a ship without its propellers. I guess that would make sense for ships that regularly changed propellers to ones of very different weight. But it is still just the lightship weight. In calcs, that lightship is used as a basis to which liquids, cargo, crew and mission equipment are added. Once that is done, lightship isn't discussed again. What the naval architect really wants to know is the final weight and center of gravity (and how the liquids in the various tanks will shift as the ship is heeled) to calculate that ship's resistance to capsizing. (Weight of a ship is related directly to both life and death matters and its viability in the arena it operates. Far, far more important than the weight of a bicycle! 10% more bicycle "lightship weight" decreases its maximal uphill speed maybe 1%. That same increase in a ship lightship weight might be knocking the cargo weight well over that 10%, especially if stability factors come in to play. On a Bering Sea crab boat, that might mean 40% fewer crab pots carried at the height of the fishing season. Dead of winter on one of the world's most dangerous bodies of water.)

So knowing captains and naval architects fight hard to keep lightship as light as possible. But no one goes to the bar and boasts about his ship's LS. Instead, all eyes are on the draft marks painted at the bow and stern of all ships that make seeing the depth at which the ship floats easily noted to a very accurate degree. That depth ties in directly with the full weight of the ship at that moment. (A ship leaving port too heavy and meeting a big storm may well not be coming back.) This is the weight of a bicycle with everything including water bottles and contents; the weight that the rider has to lug up a hill (less water consumed, just as the ship will have burned off fuel before that storm).

I'm going to keep this analogy mind the next time I hear cyclists arguing showroom weights! Yes, I know they will never get this concept so I won't even try to explain it and yes, I might have to keep those chuckles to myself, but it will be fun for me at least.

Ben

rpenmanparker 

What is so incredibly distressing is that you refuse to realize that what I advocate gives you everything, what you want and what I want...just in case the latter might also be useful to you at some time. If you reread my posts carefully you will find that I did post my bike weight the way it was requested by OP, I did also post it as the sum of two components-showroom bike plus add-ons, and I have repeatedly advocated for knowing how to arrive at the OP's requested answer by adding those components. So I haven't been against OP's inquiry, just determined to point out there is a more COMPLETE approach. You are arguing for the rights of folks to be closed minded. And paraphrasing "Fiddler on the Roof", being closed minded is no great shame, but it is no great honor either.

Maelochs

Really not looking to argue with you ... i respect you too much. Let us agree to disagree---in another thread.

scuzzo

oh dear.. seems to be getting a bit contentious here.. the hammer is coming i fear. so watch the feels folks... i mean if you ever take some cat in clown shoes and Elton john glasses astride a fancy plastic bike too serious then all is loss... we are no better then apes or mountainbikers.. i wonder how they adress the real bike weight vs the fancy in store numbers? well anyhaps... keep it lite folks.

rpenmanparker 

Well, Ben you don't have to have a very good memory, because the next time is right now.

So Mr. Bike Rider (BR) wants to know how much weight he has to lug up a hill. Fair enough. Nothing I have said would prevent him from doing that. Now suppose BR is thinking about a new bike and is looking at the Giaraleightrek Pave-Corsa-Gran Premio. Perhaps he would like to know how much weight he would have to lug up a hill if he plunked his hard-earned money down for one of those. If he thinks like you and Maelochs, without buying the bike or carrying all his crap to an LBS where the bike resides, he can't do that. Maybe he is looking through a catalog or reading a review and says, "Hey that bike looks interesting. I just might want one of those." So are we saying BR is only interested in how heavy his old bike is and not at all in how heavy his new bike would be the way he rides it? That doesn't make sense to me. But if he knows the showroom weight of his bike and the weight of his add-on stuff, then he knows the weight of any bike that has weight published for it or that hangs in an LBS exactly as he would ride it up that hill. What is so wrong with that?

noodle soup

+1

Some people will never accept it, but those people are wrong.

rpenmanparker 

Done. I'll just carry on with Ben.

kbarch

You, sir, are assuming that other people are equally interested in how much progress has been made in lightening bikes.
Other well-washed and enlightened people have an equally (I'd argue more) valid interest in the experienced weight of the bicycles they actually encounter, pick up and ride today and couldn't care less how heavy they ever were, even yesterday.
In the end, even if one is interested in a sort of laboratory weight of ones bike, it's interesting to consider how well one might have accessorized it, or defeated the purpose (of lightening it) with superfluous or inconsistent additions.