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Old 01-22-21, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by big john
I did 65 miles for the first year I lived in the mountains. Fortunately I had a carpool friend who worked in the same building. Unfortunately the 1994 earthquake damaged the freeway we used and we had to take a 1 hour detour for 5 months.
I think I'll refrain from b****ng about my 20 mile commute, then.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
Mr. Hank Aaron. RIP
Wow.
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Originally Posted by big john
I don't get this but two of the WalMart heirs are avid mountain bikers and have donated millions to trail acquisition and maintenance in Arkansas.
One mtb magazine interviewed them a few years ago.
They are the primary investors/owners of Allied from what I’ve heard.
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RIP Hank Aaron. The real home run king.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I think I'll refrain from b****ng about my 20 mile commute, then.
Going to work isn't the bad part. On good days (no snow, no earthquake damage) it took about an hour and fifteen. The trip home was the part that really sucked. About the same time on the road but I was tired and just wanted to get out of my work clothes, shower and eat. It just seemed so far away when going home.

Then there's the whole 30,000 miles per year on each car some years. Even doing the work myself that's still lots of tires, oil, and other maintenance stuff.

The former Mrs John was also a leadfoot. She got 4 speeding tickets commuting and our insurance doubled.
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Originally Posted by phrantic09
They are the primary investors/owners of Allied from what I’ve heard.
Makes sense.
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Originally Posted by ls01
Has anyone any experience with panaracer tyres? I just ordered a set to test out on the road bike. But if anyone has any experience I'd like to hear about it
Panaracer Dart was my go-to front MTB tyre in the mid '90s.
Used to run Stradius road tires BITD, best $20 road tyres at the time (much better than regular Zaffiros and Michelin Dynamic), used them exclusively 'til I found $32 Michelin Pro 3.
I've had GravelKing SKs on one bike for a couple of years and love them to death. The sidewalls are a little papery for really rocky riding, but that's what makes them so plush on smoother trails.
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Originally Posted by big john
I don't get this but two of the WalMart heirs are avid mountain bikers and have donated millions to trail acquisition and maintenance in Arkansas.
One mtb magazine interviewed them a few years ago.
Are they named John-boy and Jim-Bob??
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I've come to the conclusion that warming up, whether for a workout or an FTP test, needs to be more than just spinning. I need to push my HR up into at least the 150 range to 'wake up' the whole system before a hard effort.

For example, back before winter, I decided to try for a PR on a 5 mile stretch a local club uses as half their 10 mile time trial. Instead of doing any kind of warmup, I figured to warm up on the road, gradually building up the effort. I was going pretty well, but as I got closer to LT, my lungs/chest started feeling 'off', like I wasn't able to get in anywhere near enough air, and/or I was feeling kinda queasy. So I really let off the last 200 yards, and missed the PR. As my HR came down, I felt better, so I went on with the ride. Later in the ride, I blew past LT a couple times, feeling strong and not at all like I had earlier. I figured it was an off day.

A week or so later, I did a Ramp Test on Zwift, just spinning for a 5 minute warmup, all under 120 bpm, because I'd read somewhere that the Ramp Test is its own warmup. Pretty much exactly the same thing happened, same feeling in the chest, same slight nausea, and I ended crapping out about 60 watts lower than the previous time I'd done it. I went on with the ride, and like the time before, I pushed myself well past LT a couple times - sprints, pushing on climbs, etc - and felt fine.

Next time I did a Ramp Test, I made sure to ride a good 15 minutes with some hard efforts to drive up HR, and sure enough, I was back to the same level as the first time.

That was with a dumb trainer, using zPower. Then I got the Snap, and did the Ramp Test in Erg Mode. Blew up/hit death spiral about 60 watts lower that with zPower, which leads me to believe zPower way overestimated output! Also decided Erg Mode is a harsh mistress.
She's a stone cold Beaotch! Don't tell her I said that though.

When I used to ride solo, I would always warm up a bit before any hard effort. That's why I was surprised to learn that no self respecting cyclist does warm ups, or even knows what that term is. Around here anyways. There just is no such thing. We leave the gate, instantly to 110% on the reactor. It used to piss me off. But I have adjusted to it. It feels like after a few minutes that things get easier. Speeds might actually go up. I figured out its your body warming to the effort. We used to have a Saturday hammer ride. I noticed every week, at the same place, I was always ready to give up, but 5 minutes later I was having a blast.
It is funny to watch new people the first few times when it happens. Mouth open, gasping for air, eyes almost as big as their mouth.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Are they named John-boy and Jim-Bob??
that seems like a bigoted comment against country folk. I hope i am wrong.
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
that seems like a bigoted comment against country folk. I hope i am wrong.
Not intended that way.

The Waltons was a popular TV show of the mid 1970's and two of the sons (there were more) had those names.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Not intended that way.

The Waltons was a popular TV show of the mid 1970's and two of the sons (there were more) had those names.
I remember the show didn't make the connection.
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Originally Posted by big john
Going to work isn't the bad part. On good days (no snow, no earthquake damage) it took about an hour and fifteen. The trip home was the part that really sucked. About the same time on the road but I was tired and just wanted to get out of my work clothes, shower and eat. It just seemed so far away when going home.

Then there's the whole 30,000 miles per year on each car some years. Even doing the work myself that's still lots of tires, oil, and other maintenance stuff.

The former Mrs John was also a leadfoot. She got 4 speeding tickets commuting and our insurance doubled.
I have managed to avoid getting any speeding tickets the last 30 years, despite always driving 80 on the freeway. I guess if everyone's doing it, the CHP doesn't stop you.
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
RIP Hank Aaron. The real home run king.
Sucks. As a yout, I watched him break the record. I stayed up and watched that game knowing that tonight was the night. I was not disappointed. I think the local affiliate channel carried the game because it was assumed that he would break it that night.
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Originally Posted by ls01
She's a stone cold Beaotch! Don't tell her I said that though.

When I used to ride solo, I would always warm up a bit before any hard effort. That's why I was surprised to learn that no self respecting cyclist does warm ups, or even knows what that term is. Around here anyways. There just is no such thing. We leave the gate, instantly to 110% on the reactor. It used to piss me off. But I have adjusted to it. It feels like after a few minutes that things get easier. Speeds might actually go up. I figured out its your body warming to the effort. We used to have a Saturday hammer ride. I noticed every week, at the same place, I was always ready to give up, but 5 minutes later I was having a blast.
It is funny to watch new people the first few times when it happens. Mouth open, gasping for air, eyes almost as big as their mouth.

squirel scalpers always have a warm up ride. The first few times I didn’t know what was happening, thought it was a super easy pace until they take off after about 4 miles
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Originally Posted by ls01
Sucks. As a yout, I watched him break the record. I stayed up and watched that game knowing that tonight was the night. I was not disappointed. I think the local affiliate channel carried the game because it was assumed that he would break it that night.
I think it was on National TV. Monday night baseball maybe. I watched also.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Panaracer Dart was my go-to front MTB tyre in the mid '90s
edit: quote shortened for internet savings.

Thanks LP. Good stuff
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Originally Posted by datlas
Not intended that way.

The Waltons was a popular TV show of the mid 1970's and two of the sons (there were more) had those names.
Good to hear you are vaccinated. I hope this summer is normal. Mostly so vol and I can go to Chipotle and order the "datlas."
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Originally Posted by ls01
She's a stone cold Beaotch! Don't tell her I said that though.

When I used to ride solo, I would always warm up a bit before any hard effort. That's why I was surprised to learn that no self respecting cyclist does warm ups, or even knows what that term is. Around here anyways. There just is no such thing. We leave the gate, instantly to 110% on the reactor. It used to piss me off. But I have adjusted to it. It feels like after a few minutes that things get easier. Speeds might actually go up. I figured out its your body warming to the effort. We used to have a Saturday hammer ride. I noticed every week, at the same place, I was always ready to give up, but 5 minutes later I was having a blast.
It is funny to watch new people the first few times when it happens. Mouth open, gasping for air, eyes almost as big as their mouth.
Huh. When I rode with PenVelo, on their Saturday and Sunday rides, they always did a no-drop, double paceline rollout for the first 8 miles, then the racer group would take off while the recreational/century riders would proceed at a more dignified pace. For me, that was on top of the 8 miles of riding I had to do to get to the meetup spot. They actually had a pre-meetup spot, 3 miles from the formal meetup, that included 2 climbs of about half a mile at 6 or so percent, so if you did that, you'd be pretty warm already - especially if you got to the pre-meetup spot a bit late and had to chase! Ask me how I know.
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
I remember the show didn't make the connection.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Not intended that way.

The Waltons was a popular TV show of the mid 1970's and two of the sons (there were more) had those names.
"Good night, John-boy!"
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Originally Posted by datlas
Are they named John-boy and Jim-Bob??
Tom and Stueart.
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
I think it was on National TV. Monday night baseball maybe. I watched also.
You are probably correct.
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Mostly so vol and I can go to Chipotle and order the "datlas."
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