Where is the Weight Difference coming from?
11-12-23 | 05:42 PM
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Because some of us non-pro riders are skinny climbers, power-to-weight ratio is everything to climbers, and the denominator in the power-to-weight measure is weight.
For me, dropping 1 kg means a 1.5% power-to-weight increase.
For me, dropping 1 kg means a 1.5% power-to-weight increase.
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11-12-23 | 06:09 PM
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I get that if you are climbing competitively, where 1.5% might actually matter.
11-12-23 | 08:17 PM
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The weight difference is due to the lighting system Cannondale installs on their bikes from the factory. Canyon doesn't have a battery, front light, and taillight.
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11-13-23 | 07:06 AM
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11-13-23 | 09:36 AM
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11-13-23 | 10:24 AM
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11-13-23 | 10:58 AM
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An extra 1.5% would have been helpful on Saturday morning with a group of friends on a ride that included a lot of long, steady climbs (5000+' over 2+ hours). I could not quite maintain the pace of the rest of the guys and slowly got dropped between each of our re-group points.
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11-13-23 | 11:41 AM
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Looking at, for the same price, 2 bikes.
Cannondale Synapse https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bik...e-carbon-2-rle
vs
Canyon SLX8 https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...aero/2740.html
While I know weight doesn't really matter, considering the actual percentage when adding our own body weights, I'm still curious why there's a listed difference of 2.6 lbs between these 2 bikes (19.7 lbs for the Cannondale, 17.1 lbs for the Canyon). I know there are a couple bits that are CF on the Canyon, that aren't on the CDale, but eg. an alloy handlebar isn't going to weigh that much more than a CF one, is it? Trying to determine, if I want to get a locally available bike, would there be somewhat easily done changes that would drop weight on the CDale? Or is it likely the weights are not correctly represented on one or both makers' websites?
Cannondale Synapse https://www.cannondale.com/en-us/bik...e-carbon-2-rle
vs
Canyon SLX8 https://www.canyon.com/en-us/road-bi...aero/2740.html
While I know weight doesn't really matter, considering the actual percentage when adding our own body weights, I'm still curious why there's a listed difference of 2.6 lbs between these 2 bikes (19.7 lbs for the Cannondale, 17.1 lbs for the Canyon). I know there are a couple bits that are CF on the Canyon, that aren't on the CDale, but eg. an alloy handlebar isn't going to weigh that much more than a CF one, is it? Trying to determine, if I want to get a locally available bike, would there be somewhat easily done changes that would drop weight on the CDale? Or is it likely the weights are not correctly represented on one or both makers' websites?
11-13-23 | 11:42 AM
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An extra 1.5% would have been helpful on Saturday morning with a group of friends on a ride that included a lot of long, steady climbs (5000+' over 2+ hours). I could not quite maintain the pace of the rest of the guys and slowly got dropped between each of our re-group points.
If climbing is the only thing that matters to you then a lightweight bike is an obvious advantage. But if climbing is only one thing that matters to you then there are many other factors to consider besides bike weight. (Aero, comfort, fit, handling, stiffness, braking, gearing, durability).
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11-13-23 | 11:50 AM
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Sure. If you were climbing at a steady 2W/kg then 1 kg off the bike would save you 2W of power. Better than nothing, but not a huge amount. I agree it might make or break you in a marginal situation.
If climbing is the only thing that matters to you then a lightweight bike is an obvious advantage. But if climbing is only one thing that matters to you then there are many other factors to consider besides bike weight. (Aero, comfort, fit, handling, stiffness, braking, gearing, durability).
If climbing is the only thing that matters to you then a lightweight bike is an obvious advantage. But if climbing is only one thing that matters to you then there are many other factors to consider besides bike weight. (Aero, comfort, fit, handling, stiffness, braking, gearing, durability).
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11-13-23 | 12:36 PM
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Talking about weight:
Then you could add the weight of 2 large filled water bottles for hill climbs. Depending on the size and material of the bottles, two large filled ones can add up to 2 additional kilograms. Maybe the serious hill climbers either delete the bottles completely or only carry a small bottle partially filled. But on hot days with long climbs one just can’t get around the weight penalty.
Then you could add the weight of 2 large filled water bottles for hill climbs. Depending on the size and material of the bottles, two large filled ones can add up to 2 additional kilograms. Maybe the serious hill climbers either delete the bottles completely or only carry a small bottle partially filled. But on hot days with long climbs one just can’t get around the weight penalty.
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11-13-23 | 01:03 PM
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11-13-23 | 01:13 PM
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Talking about weight:
Then you could add the weight of 2 large filled water bottles for hill climbs. Depending on the size and material of the bottles, two large filled ones can add up to 2 additional kilograms. Maybe the serious hill climbers either delete the bottles completely or only carry a small bottle partially filled. But on hot days with long climbs one just can’t get around the weight penalty.
Then you could add the weight of 2 large filled water bottles for hill climbs. Depending on the size and material of the bottles, two large filled ones can add up to 2 additional kilograms. Maybe the serious hill climbers either delete the bottles completely or only carry a small bottle partially filled. But on hot days with long climbs one just can’t get around the weight penalty.
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11-13-23 | 01:13 PM
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Talking about weight:
Then you could add the weight of 2 large filled water bottles for hill climbs. Depending on the size and material of the bottles, two large filled ones can add up to 2 additional kilograms. Maybe the serious hill climbers either delete the bottles completely or only carry a small bottle partially filled. But on hot days with long climbs one just can’t get around the weight penalty.
Then you could add the weight of 2 large filled water bottles for hill climbs. Depending on the size and material of the bottles, two large filled ones can add up to 2 additional kilograms. Maybe the serious hill climbers either delete the bottles completely or only carry a small bottle partially filled. But on hot days with long climbs one just can’t get around the weight penalty.
I’m sure I would have totally smashed it on a 7 kg bike!
11-13-23 | 01:31 PM
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Well...duh.
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11-13-23 | 01:44 PM
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These people who say, "You weigh 200 lbs! Another kilo on the bike is < 1% of total system weight!" have it all wrong! It is BECAUSE I weigh 200# that I NEED the lighter bike!!! 
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11-13-23 | 02:03 PM
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There is some truth in that. If I'm climbing with a bunch of lightweights, I am at my limits just trying to avoid losing too much ground. Adding weight to my total would slow me even more. Adding weight to one of the lightweights might slow them a bit, or make them work a little harder, but still not make them slow to my speed.
11-13-23 | 02:10 PM
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There is some truth in that. If I'm climbing with a bunch of lightweights, I am at my limits just trying to avoid losing too much ground. Adding weight to my total would slow me even more. Adding weight to one of the lightweights might slow them a bit, or make them work a little harder, but still not make them slow to my speed.
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11-13-23 | 02:20 PM
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It might be easier to get them to push me for a while.
11-13-23 | 02:24 PM
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11-13-23 | 02:42 PM
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lol, they do that anyway. Reminds me of a day some years ago when I offered to show a couple racer friends a mountain route they had never done. I was having a really bad day and one of them did push me on some of the climbing. I was highly embarrassed. Of course, he still brings it up from time to time.
11-13-23 | 02:52 PM
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lol, they do that anyway. Reminds me of a day some years ago when I offered to show a couple racer friends a mountain route they had never done. I was having a really bad day and one of them did push me on some of the climbing. I was highly embarrassed. Of course, he still brings it up from time to time.
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11-13-23 | 03:56 PM
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100% true. I have good buddies one of which has a Cervelo S3 that is like 15lbs and the other a Specialized S Work that is around 17 lbs and oh man do those feel good when I load them in my truck. you would not think 2-4 lbs would make a difference but mine feels like they are made of lead compared to those two bikes.