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Hydrogen & Alkaline Water to Better Recover - Do you drink it?

Old 02-08-24, 06:54 AM
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Hydrogen & Alkaline Water to Better Recover - Do you drink it?

Curious to see if other cyclists here are drinking H and Alkaline water. It would seem like there are interesting benefits for athletes - including cyclists - training a lot to drinking this, but not many studies to back it, however.

Improved muscle recovery
Anti-inflammatory
Anti-oxidant
Increased energy
Disease prevention

Hydrogen Water: What Is It and Does It Work? (webmd.com)

Alkaline Water Health Benefits: Is Alkaline Water Good For You? (webmd.com)

What's your take on this?
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as long as the water is clean, no bacteria, & intended for human consumption, everything else is just marketing.

Have not noticed any benefits from the water with enhancements.
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Save your money.

These water "scams" all claim that regular water isn't good enough for you, you need ours.

Unless your water supply is somehow tainted (either pH or substance), you're fine.
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the benefit for prepackaged water imo is the grab n go aspect. toss them in the cooler/freezer & have that quick refresher for the rides.
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I bought a ''generator'' in fact, it serves as a Water bottle at the same time.

Not a fan of single use products, especially not water bottles.

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never a fan of something that costs 4x a bottle of water that usually leaks & doesnt stay ice cold as promised.
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While water is composed of 2 parts hydrogen to one part oxygen, as a gas, hydrogen isn't very soluble in water. And if it was soluble in water, then that'd mean any headspace in your bottles could be very explosive.

Seems like some scamming or typical advertiser misdirection and half truth's going on with Hydrogen Water.
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That webmd hydrogen water article was written by an AI.

How would hydrogen gas do anything at all after drinking the water? It makes no sense at all. Hydrogen is going to diffuse out of the water bottle, it's really difficult to keep it in a container at pressure. And I'd expect an instant exit as gas molecules as the person drinks the water.
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Originally Posted by rm -rf
That webmd hydrogen water article was written by an AI.

How would hydrogen gas do anything at all after drinking the water? It makes no sense at all. Hydrogen is going to diffuse out of the water bottle, it's really difficult to keep it in a container at pressure. And I'd expect an instant exit as gas molecules as the person drinks the water.
It may make no sense to our uneducated-about-the-subject brains (unless of course someone here is a scientist and did such studies in his professional life), but if it's backed by empirical data, then I believe it.

Hydrogen-rich water for improvements of mood, anxiety, and autonomic nerve function in daily life - PMC (nih.gov)
Effects of 7-day intake of hydrogen-rich water on physical performance of trained and untrained subjects - PMC (nih.gov)
Drinking hydrogen water enhances endurance and relieves psychometric fatigue: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study (cdnsciencepub.com)
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Well in your study, they say the extra hydrogen is added as a hydroxyl. Carbohydrates have lots of hydroxyl groups. So between the group given water with no other added hydroxyls and the group that had hydroxyls added... which might be in the form of carbohydrates, then that might explain the difference
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Skimmed the cited work. Maybe if someone takes a closer look they'll find gems in the *********, but I didn't see any.

Hydrogen-rich water for improvements of mood, anxiety, and autonomic nerve function in daily life - PMC (nih.gov)
No plausible hypothesis. No power analysis and gross lack of statistical power: This means that any significant findings are likely to be spurious. Several outcome variables tested with independent t-tests and no adjustment of significance threshold for multiple comparisons. Simply not valid research.

Effects of 7-day intake of hydrogen-rich water on physical performance of trained and untrained subjects - PMC (nih.gov)
This one's a little better design, but also lacks a power analysis, so it is bad clinical research right off the bat. Then, if you look at the statistical tables, they report a bunch of significant main effects of group (athletes vs. non-athletes) as would be expected, and only a few borderline significant group x treatment interactions. So again, no primary outcome variable identified (you can't do that in clinical research!) and no adjustment for multiple statistical tests, making those very borderline p values completely meaningless. Notably there are no main effects of the treatment, meaning it did nothing across groups. I really can't understand how this got published.

Drinking hydrogen water enhances endurance and relieves psychometric fatigue: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study (cdnsciencepub.com)
Another junk study. The first experiment has six independently tested outcomes, two of which differed significantly across treatment groups, and again, no primary outcome identified or adjustment for multiple comparisons. Worse yet, they didn't even record what their groups did on those ergometers, so subjective fatigue could have simply tracked which group worked harder for totally random reasons. Again, one wonders how this got published.
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Interesting results. Seems like something perhaps worth a shot in the week leading up to a key race. I wonder why it only worked with trained athletes? It begs the question of how trained you need to be to see a benefit?
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Skimmed the cited work. Maybe if someone takes a closer look they'll find gems in the *********, but I didn't see any.

Hydrogen-rich water for improvements of mood, anxiety, and autonomic nerve function in daily life - PMC (nih.gov)
No plausible hypothesis. No power analysis and gross lack of statistical power: This means that any significant findings are likely to be spurious. Several outcome variables tested with independent t-tests and no adjustment of significance threshold for multiple comparisons. Simply not valid research.

Effects of 7-day intake of hydrogen-rich water on physical performance of trained and untrained subjects - PMC (nih.gov)
This one's a little better design, but also lacks a power analysis, so it is bad clinical research right off the bat. Then, if you look at the statistical tables, they report a bunch of significant main effects of group (athletes vs. non-athletes) as would be expected, and only a few borderline significant group x treatment interactions. So again, no primary outcome variable identified (you can't do that in clinical research!) and no adjustment for multiple statistical tests, making those very borderline p values completely meaningless. Notably there are no main effects of the treatment, meaning it did nothing across groups. I really can't understand how this got published.

Drinking hydrogen water enhances endurance and relieves psychometric fatigue: a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study (cdnsciencepub.com)
Another junk study. The first experiment has six independently tested outcomes, two of which differed significantly across treatment groups, and again, no primary outcome identified or adjustment for multiple comparisons. Worse yet, they didn't even record what their groups did on those ergometers, so subjective fatigue could have simply tracked which group worked harder for totally random reasons. Again, one wonders how this got published.
Thanks for reading them (and providing analysis) so I didn't have to. It is amazing what can get published (even at predatory, pay to play, publishers) these days.
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I like heavy water.
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Originally Posted by himespau
Thanks for reading them (and providing analysis) so I didn't have to. It is amazing what can get published (even at predatory, pay to play, publishers) these days.
I didn't even look at the journals.
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Interesting results. Seems like something perhaps worth a shot in the week leading up to a key race. I wonder why it only worked with trained athletes? It begs the question of how trained you need to be to see a benefit?
That's what I am wondering too. I am training 7 days a week with rest days being longer zone 2 rides so I may benefit from this (faster muscle recovery). I will see in a few weeks!
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I like heavy water.
Yeah, I wouldn't drink 2H though. Lets keep that isotope for nuclear reactors!
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I drank a gallon of water with pure hydrogen gas added to saturation. The ensuing fart set the dog on fire.
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The solubility of H2 in water at room temperature and pressure is 1.6 PPM so you are not going to get much hydrogen out of any drinking water. As an example, 1 L of water has 1.6 mg of h2 max. If on the other hand, If it is as a hydroxyl then all that happens is the water is alkaline. Pure crap I am afraid.

The concentration of hydrogen in the atmosphere is about 0.5 ppm so your heavy breathing as you exercise will get you way more hydrogen than the water, depending on how much of the inspired hydrogen is absorbed.
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If you think "hydrogen water" is good stuff, wait until you read about magnetized water. So many health benefits, guaranteed to boost your FTP by 20 watts -- or more!
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Yeah, I wouldn't drink 2H though. Lets keep that isotope for nuclear reactors!
Oh, I don't know about that. It might be an easy way to prevent loss of athletic performance at higher temperatures, given the apparent effect of Deuterium Oxide in place of water in, for example, Drosophila.
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i stopped trying to save weight with water... so aero is the new approach for faster gains.
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