If you don't have the right answer, change the question!

Plus, SRAM Force was voted best gear of '06 by countless publications. They also wouldn't be putting it on racing teams if it hadn't passed the R&D stages already. I highly doubt that a company with a reputation like SRAM [in mt. biking and other areas] would put out a second rate product for trial and error.

Oh please! Let's see some links. I find the superlatives like "best" and "countless" to be good prepositions for B.S. lead-ins.

Nice partial quotes. Here is what I wrote.


It doesn't mean the same thing.

After I said that an SRAM conversion was cheaper than Campy conversion, you wrote:

Indeed, you didn't say it wasn't cheaper, you asked *how* it was cheaper. (and rather derogatively at that, throwing in a personal insult). When I showed you how, you started arguing that SRAM is more expensive than Shimano.

SRAM is also more expensive than a tasty peach pie. Mmmm. Pie.

For the insult, I apologize. I didn't know that you were so sensitive.

Why did/does this SRAM thread (and almost all others) so quickly degrade into fights? Are people that upset about SRAM/Shimano/Campy marketshare?

Maybe, but one thing I notice is that SRam force is coming down in price on ebay. Now the whole groupset is cheaper than DA. Amazing.

at around 999.00 for reference while the cheapeset DA is on probikekit at around 1050.

Hype wore off...

The less expensive, the better, whatever your preference is. More market competition = good for consumer.

exactly. However, sram still have many weakpoints in their road group that need to be improved. Now, they need to start offering service components and sell replacement parts at cheaper price. It's a bad move for Sram to start this group at such a high price. All these recalls are reminding people that they are guinea pigs with new/different toys.

"All these recalls?" So a recall on the brakes constitues a lot of recalls?

My SRAM stuff works fine. I dont feel like Im paying anyone to test anything. Works better than my old Ultegra group and the brifters are more comfortable to me.

I have to agree, and honestly, if you are not using SRAM, how can you bash it.

+1,000,000
:beer:

I used Sram force(drivetrain) for two months with about 1000 miles so I know.

[QUOTE=JayC]"All these recalls?" So a recall on the brakes constitues a lot of recalls?

Yes.

Maybe you should re-read the thread as to where I am coming from. SushiJ....maybe you haven't followed the thread at all...just your smart-ass opinions that you have three bikes with different groupset. That is so much B.S. Post a pic or something.

This is a point that all reasonable people should agree on. Competition for market share, will benefit nearly all cyclists.

As for now, it's just a theory. Like communism. DA and Campy are still priced the same, even with the advent of Sram Force groupset.

1.

http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...0001.Image.gif

2.
CPSC, Shimano Announce Recall of Bicycle Components

WASHINGTON, D.C. - In cooperation with the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), Shimano American Corp. of Irvine, Calif., is voluntarily recalling more than 1 million cranks installed on bicycles in North America. The crank is used to connect the pedal to the frame of the bike. If the crank breaks, the rider's leg can be injured by contact with the broken crank or the rider can lose control of the bike, fall and be injured.

Shimano has received more than 630 reports of cranks breaking in North America resulting in 22 injuries, including cuts and fractures.



3.
Shimano Recalls Aftermarket Brake Cables
01/27/2004
IRVINE, CA
ROAD BRAKE CABLES SOLD AS AFTER MARKET PRODUCT
FOR ROAD TYPE BRAKE LEVERS



Recalls happen to all companies think sony batteries, toyota this year... It's not the end of the world and does't mean the companies entire line is crap or substandard. It just means someone got fired!

Really--is that attitude necessary? It's bike forums; you DON'T need to be accusatory and hateful.

I guess i should say thanks for getting owned? :rolleyes:

Let's see, this looks like Chorus...
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...ens/opera1.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...ens/opera2.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...ens/opera3.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...ens/opera4.jpg

In case you accuse me of not having the Rolfs too, here you go:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...olfwheels1.jpg

Force anyone?

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...Opal01Full.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...CrankPedal.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...3RearWheel.jpg

And I'm sure i can scrounge up some photos of my Klein with the DA before i sold it. :D Do people score cool points for lying on the internet these days? How much BS is it now?
Note: The stem has been flipped on the Orbea and the Shimano pedals on the Opera were replaced with gray Keo Sprints.

Awesome post. Exactly right. Every company in cycling has recalls. They're not building nuclear power plants here, so they don't do 1000 tests and retests of everything and checking every nanometer of material for impurities. They expect to have to recall stuff every now and then - that's why they have a policy to deal with it.

Well said:)

That's an incredible looking bike. How's the up/downshifting on it?