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10-12-07, 01:54 PM
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We have an ex-bodybuilder that rides with us. Strong as an ox, can pull all day and fast. He's still huge, but rides like crazy. Still has a good power to weight, plus a strong cardio.
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I'm sure no one admits to it, but some of those trackies in the pix just *have* to be doping.
10-12-07, 06:40 PM
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In 1980 Eric Heiden, after winning 5 gold medals, took to the bike seriously. I think he was Wisconsin champion several times before 1980. I have never seen a guy with muscles like he had. He was the most developed athlete I had ever seen. He had muscles where muscles arent. It was just a matter of a couple years and he trimmed down to a road cyclists body. But coming off the Olympics that guy was ripped.
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Climbing will help just about every aspect of cycling...
Of course the more climbing you do, the better climber you'll become... that's a given.
But it will also increase your lactic acid thresholds and VO2 max...
You'll gain strength, power and endurance...
Climbing will make you faster against a headwind...
It'll even make you faster on the flats.
And yes, your legs will get bigger, especially if you jam up the hills (almost like sprinting) in a LOW gear (edited that in).
I haven't done any sprint intervals since June but my legs sure have gotten bigger since almost every ride I do these days has about 2,000 feet of climbing in around 40 miles.
Of course the more climbing you do, the better climber you'll become... that's a given.
But it will also increase your lactic acid thresholds and VO2 max...
You'll gain strength, power and endurance...
Climbing will make you faster against a headwind...
It'll even make you faster on the flats.
And yes, your legs will get bigger, especially if you jam up the hills (almost like sprinting) in a LOW gear (edited that in).
I haven't done any sprint intervals since June but my legs sure have gotten bigger since almost every ride I do these days has about 2,000 feet of climbing in around 40 miles.
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10-12-07, 08:06 PM
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Juan Llaneras and Chris Hoy.
Wiggins and Nothstein.
And then you have Ignatiev and Bos, who have similar body types yet are completely different in their racing attributes. Ignatiev a little too ripped, Bos a little too slender, yet they both lay it down.
10-12-07, 08:29 PM
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Climbing will help just about every aspect of cycling...
Of course the more climbing you do, the better climber you'll become... that's a given.
But it will also increase your lactic acid thresholds and VO2 max...
You'll gain strength, power and endurance...
Climbing will make you faster against a headwind...
It'll even make you faster on the flats.
And yes, your legs will get bigger, especially if you jam up the hills (almost like sprinting).
I haven't done any sprint intervals since June but my legs sure have gotten bigger since almost every ride I do these days has about 2,000 feet of climbing in around 40 miles.
Of course the more climbing you do, the better climber you'll become... that's a given.
But it will also increase your lactic acid thresholds and VO2 max...
You'll gain strength, power and endurance...
Climbing will make you faster against a headwind...
It'll even make you faster on the flats.
And yes, your legs will get bigger, especially if you jam up the hills (almost like sprinting).
I haven't done any sprint intervals since June but my legs sure have gotten bigger since almost every ride I do these days has about 2,000 feet of climbing in around 40 miles.
I agree with your main points, but I have to disagree with your last two. The size of your legs has very little to do with power in the grand scheme of things.
10-12-07, 08:52 PM
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Don't you think that if you have more fast twitch muscle fiber available to group together during an all out effort, you're going to generate more power?
Case in point: You can always tell the sprinters from the pure climbers. Their body types couldn't be more different. Just look at their legs. It just *appears* that the sprinter types with the massive legs beat the climbers in any kind of sprint finish. However, due to their better power to weight ratio and less volume weight to lug up a hill, climbers leave most of the true sprinters on the hills/mountain climbs. They typically have more slow twitch muscle which usually equates to better endurance and sprinters with more fast twitch muscle fiber have explosive power for short distances... climbers also typically for the most part ace up hill at higher cadences (they have higher aerobic capacity and better endurance than the sprinters). I'm speaking mostly from road racing experience. I don't follow track racing much...
Lots of climbing has made me faster on the flats, given me higher peak sprinting speeds AND I've seen a considerable increase in wattage/power... v.s. doing the "traditional" intervals. The numbers for me simply don't lie.
If I'm remembering correctly, I think it was Greg LeMond who was quoted as saying climbing will improve "every aspect" of your cycling...
So you don't think sprinting UPHILL (against gravity) v.s. sprinting on the flats with a tailwind won't improve your power? And if my larger quads have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fiber you don't think that will equate to more power?
Several training methods for increasing power includes using a BIG gear at low cadence.... kind of like what happens when you climb fast up a long hill in a low gear and doing traditional "jumps".
Anything that increases resistance should in theory increase your power output if you are training your muscle groups correctly. I've never seen increases in "power" on my meter using higher cadence, however it does help my endurance and aerobic capacity. I tend to be more "efficient" at lower cadences. Perhaps some of those skinnier guys who are fast on the track wind out a smaller gear at higher cadences. I know that they are fixed geared, but what is the equivalent of say a 53-11 or 53-12?
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I would love to see Bos switch to the road. Nothstein dropped from 215 to 180 for the road whereas Theo is already 180 lbs at the same height. He could probably get under 170 if he cut out weight work.
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And yeah, I would love to see him put his foot speed to the test against Robbie, Tom, and Pettachi. The distance would drain the legs a bit but that would be a spectacle to behold.
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Behold:
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ec06/dec18news
From CyclingNews.com
Bos: 200 metres in 9.772 seconds
Theo Bos in 2005
Photo ©: Mark Gunter
23 year-old Theo Bos smashed an 11 year-old record Saturday in Moscow, going 200 metres in 9.772 seconds on the Siberian larch "Krylatskoye" velodrome. The Dutchman set the world record for the flying distance, last held by Canadian Curt Harnett, who set a time of 9.865 seconds on 28 September 1995 in Bogota, Colombia.
"It was a childhood dream that I had," said Bos after taking the record to La Gazzetta dello Sport. "Every day I was thinking of this record and it has been more than one month that I have concentrated on this date."
Even more impressive was that Bos set the record at sea level, or 200 metres, versus the record of Harnett, which was at 2,600 metres in decreased air density. For the attempt he mounted a 51x15 gearing (7.57 metre development) that allowed him to cover 20,466 metres pre second, or averaging 73.767 km/h. On the road, sprinters like Robbie McEwen hit speeds of 70 km/hr but that is after being launched from the front end of a speeding peloton.
Theo Bos has intention of shifting his focus to the road racing after the 2008 Olympics in Beijing.
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?...ec06/dec18news
From CyclingNews.com
Bos: 200 metres in 9.772 seconds
Theo Bos in 2005
Photo ©: Mark Gunter
23 year-old Theo Bos smashed an 11 year-old record Saturday in Moscow, going 200 metres in 9.772 seconds on the Siberian larch "Krylatskoye" velodrome. The Dutchman set the world record for the flying distance, last held by Canadian Curt Harnett, who set a time of 9.865 seconds on 28 September 1995 in Bogota, Colombia.
"It was a childhood dream that I had," said Bos after taking the record to La Gazzetta dello Sport. "Every day I was thinking of this record and it has been more than one month that I have concentrated on this date."
Even more impressive was that Bos set the record at sea level, or 200 metres, versus the record of Harnett, which was at 2,600 metres in decreased air density. For the attempt he mounted a 51x15 gearing (7.57 metre development) that allowed him to cover 20,466 metres pre second, or averaging 73.767 km/h. On the road, sprinters like Robbie McEwen hit speeds of 70 km/hr but that is after being launched from the front end of a speeding peloton.
Theo Bos has intention of shifting his focus to the road racing after the 2008 Olympics in Beijing.
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Maybe for some people but it worked for me in my case....
Don't you think that if you have more fast twitch muscle fiber available to group together during an all out effort, you're going to generate more power?
Case in point: You can always tell the sprinters from the pure climbers. Their body types couldn't be more different. Just look at their legs. It just *appears* that the sprinter types with the massive legs beat the climbers in any kind of sprint finish. However, due to their better power to weight ratio and less volume weight to lug up a hill, climbers leave most of the true sprinters on the hills/mountain climbs. They typically have more slow twitch muscle which usually equates to better endurance and sprinters with more fast twitch muscle fiber have explosive power for short distances... climbers also typically for the most part ace up hill at higher cadences (they have higher aerobic capacity and better endurance than the sprinters). I'm speaking mostly from road racing experience. I don't follow track racing much...
Lots of climbing has made me faster on the flats, given me higher peak sprinting speeds AND I've seen a considerable increase in wattage/power... v.s. doing the "traditional" intervals. The numbers for me simply don't lie.
If I'm remembering correctly, I think it was Greg LeMond who was quoted as saying climbing will improve "every aspect" of your cycling...
So you don't think sprinting UPHILL (against gravity) v.s. sprinting on the flats with a tailwind won't improve your power? And if my larger quads have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fiber you don't think that will equate to more power?
Several training methods for increasing power includes using a BIG gear at low cadence.... kind of like what happens when you climb fast up a long hill in a low gear and doing traditional "jumps".
Anything that increases resistance should in theory increase your power output if you are training your muscle groups correctly. I've never seen increases in "power" on my meter using higher cadence, however it does help my endurance and aerobic capacity. I tend to be more "efficient" at lower cadences. Perhaps some of those skinnier guys who are fast on the track wind out a smaller gear at higher cadences. I know that they are fixed geared, but what is the equivalent of say a 53-11 or 53-12?
Don't you think that if you have more fast twitch muscle fiber available to group together during an all out effort, you're going to generate more power?
Case in point: You can always tell the sprinters from the pure climbers. Their body types couldn't be more different. Just look at their legs. It just *appears* that the sprinter types with the massive legs beat the climbers in any kind of sprint finish. However, due to their better power to weight ratio and less volume weight to lug up a hill, climbers leave most of the true sprinters on the hills/mountain climbs. They typically have more slow twitch muscle which usually equates to better endurance and sprinters with more fast twitch muscle fiber have explosive power for short distances... climbers also typically for the most part ace up hill at higher cadences (they have higher aerobic capacity and better endurance than the sprinters). I'm speaking mostly from road racing experience. I don't follow track racing much...
Lots of climbing has made me faster on the flats, given me higher peak sprinting speeds AND I've seen a considerable increase in wattage/power... v.s. doing the "traditional" intervals. The numbers for me simply don't lie.
If I'm remembering correctly, I think it was Greg LeMond who was quoted as saying climbing will improve "every aspect" of your cycling...
So you don't think sprinting UPHILL (against gravity) v.s. sprinting on the flats with a tailwind won't improve your power? And if my larger quads have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fiber you don't think that will equate to more power?
Several training methods for increasing power includes using a BIG gear at low cadence.... kind of like what happens when you climb fast up a long hill in a low gear and doing traditional "jumps".
Anything that increases resistance should in theory increase your power output if you are training your muscle groups correctly. I've never seen increases in "power" on my meter using higher cadence, however it does help my endurance and aerobic capacity. I tend to be more "efficient" at lower cadences. Perhaps some of those skinnier guys who are fast on the track wind out a smaller gear at higher cadences. I know that they are fixed geared, but what is the equivalent of say a 53-11 or 53-12?
Looking at the Belgian, Dutch, German and Italian roleurs that I see working for Boonen, Petacchi, McEwen,etc., none of them are that big. Lots of tall, slender guys.
The U23 worlds TT champ is pretty damn skinny as well, and while Cancellara is bigger than most, he still spins a pretty high cadence.
Typical gearing for the track:
Sprints: 49, 50, 51x15
Points race: 48x14, 51x15, 54x16
Team Pursuit: Bigger yet--> 55, 56x14 isn't uncommon.
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Cross-training is a good thing. Lift weights. Play soccer. Try half-court basketball. Spend an hour on the squash/racquetball court. Go skiing in the winter. It's all good.