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Old 01-21-08 | 01:03 PM
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aren't you in Texas?

nope
I'm in Florida
but NORTH FLORIDA
burrrr

but actually - not to be too funny; but I have a nerve condition that makes temps under 75 or so painful
so I much prefer the warmer tempetures of March thru October - actually I like Hurricane season the best
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:10 PM
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nope
I'm in Florida
but NORTH FLORIDA
burrrr

but actually - not to be too funny; but I have a nerve condition that makes temps under 75 or so painful
so I much prefer the warmer tempetures of March thru October - actually I like Hurricane season the best
OK, I'll take back the Houston comment. Sorry about your nerve problem. I hear Tahiti is nice....
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:19 PM
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This is entertainment for me
Some people like to watch football, some like to go blowing, some like to do woodworking

I like to read rants on bike forums - it's fun

if it were warmer; I would also like to ride, go for a swim, or walk on the beach
but it's cold
please rave on
Mike, you answered Bikewise's questions like Hillary Clinton answers questions.

I own a couple of businesses, and ran one that was over a hundred million in revenue. As a business owner I suggest you not get into p i s s i n g matches on this forum. Because when you get asked the hard questions like Bikewise asked, you resort to responses like the above...you ought to let your business practices, procedures, and products stand on their own. Based on what I am reading, I am not sure that's the case. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time defending your methods.

I'll be showing this to the next person I talk to with a sheaf of BD downloaded photos and specs....
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:23 PM
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Mike, you answered Bikewise's questions like Hillary Clinton answers questions.

I own a couple of businesses, and ran one that was over a hundred million in revenue. As a business owner I suggest you not get into p i s s i n g matches on this forum. Because when you get asked the hard questions like Bikewise asked, you resort to responses like the above...you ought to let your business practices, procedures, and products stand on their own. Based on what I am reading, I am not sure that's the case. You seem to spend an inordinate amount of time defending your methods.

I'll be showing this to the next person I talk to with a sheaf of BD downloaded photos and specs....
more like W or Dick.
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bikesdirect_com
This is entertainment for me
Some people like to watch football, some like to go blowing, some like to do woodworking

I like to read rants on bike forums - it's fun

if it were warmer; I would also like to ride, go for a swim, or walk on the beach
but it's cold
please rave on
More like free advertising for you!

And blowing? Whatever floats your boat, dude, but keep it to yourself!

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Old 01-21-08 | 01:32 PM
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And blowing? Whatever floats your boat, dude, but keep it to yourself!

I wasn't going to say anything, but damn...I hope that was a typo.
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:35 PM
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Careful or I'll come over there and nationalise your healthcare.
Over my dead body. Keep your socialized medicine to yourself, please.
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:38 PM
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Over my dead body. Keep your socialized medicine to yourself, please.
it's actually not that bad (even if my one experience was at a dental hospital ).
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:40 PM
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Over my dead body. Keep your socialized medicine to yourself, please.
My parents are die hard Republicans. They are both 80. I asked them why they were so dead-set against socialized medicine since they were already on it (Medicare). Works for them. F all the younger people without insurance.

Hey, is that politics?
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:42 PM
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it's actually not that bad (even if my one experience was at a dental hospital ).
Oh, I'm sure you can find adequate healthcare from competent providers. My concern is from more of a career standpoint. The money just isn't there.
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:44 PM
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that's right, not enough money for greedy Americans.
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:47 PM
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that's right, not enough money for greedy Americans.
Less money for healthcare providers=less people pursuing a career in healthcare. Its easy to criticize, until you're in need of services and can't get them.
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:49 PM
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Less money for healthcare providers=less people pursuing a career in healthcare. Its easy to criticize, until you're in need of services and can't get them.
Healthcare providers in the UK make plenty of money and there is no shortage of workforce.
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:51 PM
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Old 01-21-08 | 01:52 PM
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Less money for healthcare providers=less people pursuing a career in healthcare. Its easy to criticize, until you're in need of services and can't get them.
I'm confident that if somehow we contain the preposterous way-over-any-rate-of-inflation explosion in health care costs there will still be kids lining up to get into med school. And if they won't, there are about 10 million talented and highly educated young Indian doctors who will gladly emigrate here to take their place. Legally.

The thought of medical pro compensation having fiscal constraints (like the rest of the white collar work force) may be a novel concept to Mr. Namenda, but he might want to get used to it. It's supposed to be how we all stay healthy. It's not intended as a ticket to yachts and mansions for great surgeons. That's not the idea. If some doctors make big money within that system, great. But it is getting harder. Finally.

This notion that if a med school diploma isn't a punching a $1 million dollar per year ticket that we'll run out of doctors is ridiculous.
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I'm confident that if somehow we contain the preposterous way-over-any-rate-of-inflation explosion in health care costs there will still be kids lining up to get into med school. And if they won't, there are about 10 million talented and highly educated young Indian doctors who will gladly emigrate here to take their place. Legally.

The thought of medical pro compensation having fiscal constraints (like the rest of the white collar work force) may be a novel concept to Mr. Namenda, but he might want to get used to it. It's supposed to be how we all stay healthy. It's not intended as a ticket to yachts and mansions for great surgeons. That's not the idea. If some doctors make big money within that system, great. But it is getting harder. Finally.

This notion that if a med school diploma isn't a punching a $1 million dollar per year ticket that we'll run out of doctors is ridiculous.

How much for really good Mets seats? If they stop playing ridiculous salaries, will they run out of good ballplayers?



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Old 01-21-08 | 02:00 PM
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Healthcare providers in the UK make plenty of money and there is no shortage of workforce.
Actually, they make substandard wages, and the country is having to entice foreign-born nurses to move to England to make up for the shortfall in staff. Do a bit of research.
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Old 01-21-08 | 02:02 PM
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Less money for healthcare providers=less people pursuing a career in healthcare. Its easy to criticize, until you're in need of services and can't get them.
There's an oversupply of people, actually. Far too many people have been trained to be doctors, so lots of young would-be-doctors are left without jobs.

I couldn't afford to cycle if I lived in the States. And even if you have health insurance you get some nasty co-payment of 20% or whatever unless you're a hotshot whatever. And then the fee for a non-pre-authorised ambulance trip or whatever.

When I crash my bike I like my free ambulance ride (well, I like the free part, not necessarily the ride part). And I like to be able to just sign a release form and walk out the door when they've sewn me up, rather than have to whip out a credit card and insurance info.

Damn, I love how BF threads go off on the most random tangents...

Politics and religion always provide more entertainment than BikesDirect!

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Actually, they make substandard wages, and the country is having to entice foreign-born nurses to move to England to make up for the shortfall in staff. Do a bit of research.
Wha???

Meanwhile all my med school friends are panicked about being able to get jobs after graduation...

The Indian and Polish doctors and nurses come because they can make more money here.

From the BBC

Meanwhile Cuba sends doctors to poor Florida communities to provide free health clinics...

Granted, a lot of British-trained doctors decamp to the States to make more money, after having had their med school paid for by the NHS...


But regardless, I'll take free healthcare any day. Beats having to sit at home and wait for a broken leg to heal on its own when I can't afford insurance or treatment.

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Oh, I'm sure you can find adequate healthcare from competent providers. My concern is from more of a career standpoint. The money just isn't there.
it's good enough for a 13 hour commute. https://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20.../15/nhs.health
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The thought of medical pro compensation having fiscal constraints (like the rest of the white collar work force) may be a novel concept to Mr. Namenda, but he might want to get used to it. It's supposed to be how we all stay healthy. It's not intended as a ticket to yachts and mansions for great surgeons. That's not the idea. If some doctors make big money within that system, great. But it is getting harder. Finally.
The US population is getting older and sicker. The costs to care for our aging population are only going to go up. Dissuading people from seeking a career in healthcare by limiting compensation is not the answer to the problem. Enticing people into the profession through attractive wage and benefit packages is.

You can program a computer to monitor your stock portfolio, pcad. But you can't program one to put you on a bedpan, or feed you after you've had a stroke.
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Actually, they make substandard wages, and the country is having to entice foreign-born nurses to move to England to make up for the shortfall in staff. Do a bit of research.
While you are right about the nursing situation, your claim about doctors in the UK is rubbish. Substandard to what?
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Dissuading people from seeking a career in healthcare by limiting compensation is not the answer to the problem. Enticing people into the profession through attractive wage and benefit packages is.
Newsflash: if we slashed medical pro compensation by 10% across the board tomorrow morning, the system would still have ample personnel even if it took a year or two to adjust. Don't lose a lot of sleep over that. And if you do, reach for the Ambien.

If you have any doubts about this, sample the workplace. Get back to me in a couple of years kid.
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Old 01-21-08 | 02:13 PM
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We need some religion here too.

Proposed: Sikhism is a cooler religion than Mormonism because the Sikhs get to carry a knife and have cooler holy underwear than the Mormons.

Discuss.

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While you are right about the nursing situation, your claim about doctors in the UK is rubbish. Substandard to what?
I haven't, at any time, mentioned doctors. I don't know what kind of money English doctors make, or how their pay compares to physicians in other countries.
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