The Spinnergy Stealth PBO FCC are listed at 1500 grams. A full carbon wheel
https://www.spinergy.com/bicycle/stealthFCC.html

The Spinnergy Stealth PBO are listed at 1695 grams. A carbon wheel with an aluminum brake surface.
https://www.spinergy.com/bicycle/stealthPBO.html

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I think i would go for those over the Williams or the Souls.

Consider yourself lucky.... Any brake pad (regardless of what its made of) can pick up metal from your non-carbon rim and totaly trash your carbon rim.... Who told you it was a good idea to use the same brake pads for both rims?

I'm comparing the Jet 60s to the Zipp clinchers. I see no reason why the two can't be compared.

Because the Jets are a "lower end" wheel. They are regular spoked wheels with a soft carbon fairing, completely unlike the Zipps.

According to Zipp, you don't have to change pads. I have Zipp 404 clinchers and Zipp 303 tubulars. I have Zipp (Kool stop) pads on both bikes and swap the wheels out without changing pads. I check for shards, but don't change pads, and haven't seen any wear on the tubular rims.

OBTW I had a terrible squeel coming off my kool stop pads on the Reynolds yesterday. I can not seem to get them toed in correctly... i guess it is the huge flange they have on the rear of the pad.. any suggestions?

I swap between aluminum (Easton Orion II) and carbon (Easton EC90 Aero) using SwissStop Yellow pads. They don't collect aluminum, and a simple wipe of the surface when going to carbon is all that's necessary.

Purely due to budget...

I have a set of the Es's as well and like you, I love them and will always have them. I just recently picked up a used pair of the Reynolds DV46 tubulars. I know you said you didn't want tubulars so I would imagine that their clinchers are close to being the same. I had a buddy that rode on them and loved them. Anyways, I have two rides on my Reynolds and I am going to be hard presses to go back to my ES's. Without getting into the debate of riding carbon aero tubulars as an every day wheel, I have just found my new every day wheels. My last ride was in pretty strong winds, 28-30 m.ph. gusts and the wheels were not bad at all. Like mrt1x said, don't rule out the Reynolds. If you can find a used pair or put a little bit more in the pot, I don't think you would be disappointed at all. My ES's will be getting some serious down time now.

Uh...

Swiss Stop
Keith Williams @ Williams Cycling
A former DS for a very well known pro team
Others who use Swiss stop yellow pads...including published tests of Swiss Stops pads that say the exact same thing. ...cough...Cyclingnews...cough...

https://www.cyclingnews.com/tech.php?...uickspin/06-11
Shall I go on?

So Swiss Stop yellows are the way to go over Kool Stop green??

I have a set of assaults brand new never ridden. I can let them go for $1100 shipped. just sayin.

I have had over three sets of deep rims in the last year 404 Clincher / 404 Tubular / Reynolds DV46T. the reynolds are by far the best IMO. Why ? well simply put the 404 never gave me confidence in the build. and out of the saddle they felt soft. The clinchers were too heavy. The Reynolds felt stiff and fast. I think the 46mm profile is just perfect. It can get pretty windy out here. Not say the wind makes a huge difference on deep rims but on occasion you can feel it.

Edit: Swisstop is the only way to go when braking on carbon surfaces.

Holly crap those yellow brake pads are serious $$$$

Small price to pay in relation to a $1000+ set of wheels...

Last year I picked up a set of Hed Alps in excellent condition for 500 bucks. 50mm, relatively light at 1550 grams or so and very strong. Flashpoints are another option though they are on the heavy side as well.

https://www.competitivecyclist.com/ro...0_41_TRUE.html

the Assaults at compettitive cyclist.

I have a brand new set of the Kool stop carbon pads on.. but I am not digging them..just wondering if the Kool Stops are better.. i guess the Kool stops are only 10-15 bucks cheaper.. when I first posted my $$$ post I was looking at the campy pads which are $20 more than the Shimanos

I have never used any other carbon specific brake pads since this is my first set of carbon wheels. Everyone has told me that the brakes are going to feel "mushy" with carbon wheels and carbon specific pads. So with my first ride, I was expecting them to feel like crap. I think the Swiss Stop yellow pads stop much better than my regular pads on with my ES's. The yellow pads will stop me on a dime and are very responsive. So, I would say they are worth the money. Here you go, $39.99. https://www.3-athlon.com/product.php?productid=397

Garysol1 check your pm, I think I've found you something.

I own a pair of Spinergy Stealth PBO's (see attached pic). I bought them for $725 at Bicycle Buys.com . I chose these wheels because the price was right, they look great, and after talking to Spinergy, they informed me that this was there strongest wheel and would service my 220lb frame well. I think anyone would be hard pressed to find a deeper carbon aero wheel for less. They also come with a wide assortment of spoke colors.

I don't have a lot of experience with a lot of different wheelsets, but they they are just as stiff as my Neuvation M28 Aero2's and they spin up quicker, as well.

Oh, and before I here any comments, I've already flipped it and went back with the black handlebar tape.

Definitely in my top 5. I can get that exact set (stealth PBO) for $650.00. Sounds like a great bang for the buck.

It looks like those places recomend using the yellow swiss stop pads on either alu or carbon, but not on both.

- https://www.reynoldscycling.com/index.php?p_matter=faq


I just got some DV46's, and as much as I'd love to not have to replace the brake pads whenever I take them off the bike I think it will be worth it to keep the wheels in good condition.

I'm considering aero carbon wheels as my next major purchase (in several months) thanks mostly to you jerks

Right now Flashpoint FP60 is at the top of the list, or Planet X if I decide to go with tubs. Having seen the Flashpoints up close they look pretty well put together. They're really no heavier than a DA/Open Pro wheelset, which in my world is light enough. I would probably run Velocity Veloplugs instead of rim tape if I get them (or any other carbon clincher) because they're lighter and would allow access to internal spoke nipples more easily.

For a significant weight savings I would be willing to hassle with swapping brake pads when I swap wheels, but in reality I'm pretty lazy, and I would want to run my boring 32h 3x wheelset at least half the time.

Any used candidates would have to be pretty cheap/nice. I'd rather have a warranty/crash replacement option.

All-carbon clinchers just seem like the worst of both worlds to me. I'd rather not be riding a hooked carbon rim and have a sudden blowout on a rough road. I also want something that doesn't take proprietary or oddball spokes.

Maybe our of your price range, but this is the primary reason I finally pulled the trigger on my reynolds:
https://www.reynoldscycling.com/inde...tter=assurance

3 years, $200. Since I'm 90% sure I'll have crashed on these wheels within the next 4 weeks, this is an offer I can't really afford to pass up on.